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2014/09/22 15:23:15
stevec
I can definitely appreciate "experimental" as many of my tunes don't necessary fit a given mold.   
 
I thought this was pulled off pretty well.   Yeah, the white noise from beginning to end could us a little variation or modulation of its own along the way, and maybe more of a fade in/out in that short pre-outro section, but overall I think it gets the point across.
 
2014/09/22 17:23:43
daryl1968
very cool Ben - good to see you back
2014/09/22 19:01:37
BenMMusTech
Thanks for listening guys.  It's funny everyone is commenting on the white noise, what it actually is a loop created in the loop tool, I've then placed the bi-filter over the top to help wash the digital artefacts created by the loop creator.  Because of the very nature of the composition, it is so much harder to control this sort of problem.  Because it is "sound" art or sonic art, which is the new term these days, we have to stop listening to this sort of stuff as "music", that's really hard.  I'm struggling with this concept.  And this idea of non-music goes against the progenitors of sonic art i.e. the classical avant garde: Russolo, Schaffer, Cage and Stockhausen because "sound is art, is music"  
 
I'm designing this stuff, which I have called impressionist sonic art with art galleries in mind, performed as a cut-up DJ set in 5.1.  So we shall see how it goes.
 
Ben
2014/09/22 21:55:53
kennywtelejazz
Yeah , I think that white noise thing would translate well in a video setting ...
you take a guy , chain him up to the chair in his man cave while the tv is set to a optical illusion ...
then as the music starts to play you set the guy free and send him out into the wild...
I like what you did with the midi guitar ..the fly section …that was pretty nice 
 
Kenny
2014/09/23 10:43:27
rwreynolds
BenMMusTech
 
Basically it's a sound painting...

 
I like that concept.
 
I like it. Sounds like the sound track from something like Eraser Head or something.
2014/09/23 15:11:18
Lynn
Ben, I like this piece and the way you keep pushing the boundaries of art.  Best of luck to you.
2014/09/23 21:08:37
BenMMusTech
Thanks as always for listening and commenting guys. 
 
Am working on something new as we speak, it's a sonic impressionist sonata.  I was up all night working on it, I think it closely adheres to sonata form, that is Main Theme, which actually has two main themes if you follow the Britannica encyclopaedia model, so the main theme starts in A Major and modulates to Em, this is followed by development, which modulates to F#minor, then C#minor.  Then recapitulation.  All this is going to be supported with a bed of found sounds.  I've also used Notion 3 for orchestral sounds.  The Yourock guitar is surprisingly great, wouldn't use it live at the moment but I've been using it with Dim Pro and even though it's obviously midi guitar there is something new about it. 
 
Ok back to work.  
 
Ben    
2014/09/26 12:47:05
AT
Loved it.  Start a simple riff and play w/ it in a vary constricted way.  The only thing was the white noise noise toward the end didn't mutate enough.  Static static.
 
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2014/09/26 20:12:05
BenMMusTech
Thanks for listening AT, the white noise is a bi-product of this sort of sonic art.  Although I have figured a way to control it.  I've finally worked out the best way to use RMIX, although I'm sure it's not as good the more expensive audio restore software, it does work.  The other thing I have just discovered, actually yesterday is by combining multiple sonic snapshots (field recordings) one over the other, I can control the white noise more and bring out the sounds that I want to highlight.
 
Ben  
2014/09/27 08:40:28
jamesg1213
BenMMusTech
  Because it is "sound" art or sonic art, which is the new term these days, we have to stop listening to this sort of stuff as "music", that's really hard.  I'm struggling with this concept. 




I can hear that you're struggling with it. To me, it's not experimental enough, and up to about 2:44, it was just dull really. I don't get the point of going to all the trouble of using 'found sounds' to recreate a church organ..who's going to know unless you explain that to them?
 
If you're trying to make 'non-music', using very simplistic 3 note musical phrases seems to be defeating the object - the ear naturally picks those out, and they quickly get very dull.
 
At 2:44 I thought, ''ah, this is getting interesting'', but then it just went back to hissing.
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