My only point here was that without telling us what is wrong we can't help.

He has now posted his specs above, and has listed some content for issues, so I will review and assist, if I can.

Bob Bone

OK, so Logic - let's start with a thorough review of your system, as per Startekh's post above.

Please ensure all of your system components are up to date with any maintenance available for them, including system BIOS, video card, motherboard chipset, audio, optical drive - sometimes your DVD drives have new firmware releases, and as long as your looking at the rest of it, go ahead and check there too.

I did a re-install this summer, of Windows 7, and of course all of my applications, and I had some song-specific Kontakt instances with each having as many as 6-7 loaded instruments in a multi-rack with output routing names renamed and assigned to various midi channels - I lost all of those two - I agree, that sucked.  But, I did reason through it, and really I should have known better to save the multi-racks.

Anyways, please post back with results after doing the above, and I will try to assist you this evening, if I can.

Bob Bone

One thing I did that has made my experience better is to delete a bunch of freebie VSTs that I rarely if ever used. It made it easier to find the ones I did use, but it also decluttered my Sonar and I am having fewer crashes than ever. 

logic2sonar


My system specs were in my signature that for some reason didn't get added to post:

Win 7 Ultimate (64 Bit) - Sonar X2 Producer Expanded (no bug fixes installed) 
M-Audio Delta 1010LT 
Intel(R) Core(TM)2 Quad CPU Q9550 (2.83 GHz) 
ASUS P5Q3 Motherboard 
ATI Radeon HD4800 Series Graphics 
4GB DDR3 RAM 
80GB Solid State System Drive 
250GB SATA Storage Drive (7200 RPM) 

I did a re-install of Windows a few months ago when I had a problem with using multiple Di Pro plugins, causing the sonarpdr.exe to constantly stop working. (As a side effect a lot of the projects were missing plugin settings - majorly frustrating trying to re-create all the sounds I'd lost). Learnt the hard way to save plugin settings! But not had any other Windows system problems.

I tried pressing shift to open project in safe mode but still won't respond?!

Sorry my frustrations are building up from constant time consuming problems, crashes and work-arounds. I'll try installing the X2a update and try again...

This forum is great for info - thanks for the tips!

I dealt with this issue. First you might want to install some bug fixes even if you just install the quick fix you are solving a lot of issues. It turned out for me to be the drivers for the delta 1010LT card. There are two sets of drivers that came up within the search in Google. One was for windows 7 and the other was for windows 7 with the service pack. Make sure you have the latest drivers if you have the service pack installed. Version 6.08 I believe.


http://www.m-audio.com/in...ort.drivers&f=1225


or


http://www.m-audio.com/in...c4b&keywords=#tabs


The guy I was doing session work with had windows 7 and he had old drivers for Windows 7, but he was operating windows 7 SP 1. After the Service pack was installed he was having trouble with his delta card. He was using older drivers for windows 7. It did not matter what DAW he used he had all the same problems on every DAW. Even windows media player would not work right.


This hardware require updated windows drivers for SP1. The X2a update also installs something from Microsoft,  Visual C++ Redistributable 2012 11. something. If you are having install issues for X2a make sure you have the required service packs and updated drivers before you install X2a.

Once X2a is installed don't forget to reset the vst plug ins and do a new plug in scan. A lot of people who are having plug in issues miss that step. 

Older projects load just fine for me. What may appear to be a registry problem may likely be issues related to the drivers, or it may be that the quick fix is not installed. Click on the first link I gave you and check out all the fixes M-audio did. 

Did you install X2 32 bit or 64 bit?

I used to use Logic too in the all good times when Emagic owned it and Logic were a pioneer.
Later when the food company  "Apple" bought it it slide down the hill fast.


I use it sometimes in other studio but nothing new has actually happened the last 10 years it's almost slow as Pro Tools on adding new stuff to their platform. So yes I understand that you feel that it goes fast with SONAR, Cubase, Studio One and all other modern platforms that actually still evolves and add new things every update.

Example Pro Tools HD, the only new thing that happen in 10 years time is non destructible "Clip base" faders and "Clp Gain" + now you can record and work in 32bit floating too. I forget you can color the mixerpage too. 4 new things in over 10 years time? Still not x64 software?

I was having all sorts of issues with my Delta 1010 card.

Dreadful dreadful drivers for 64 bit.

My work around? I bought a MOTU express and Sonar now rarely crashes at all.

Freddie Emagic was great company and Logic was a great DAW. Now CW is beating it into the ground.


I liked how you said that. 

logic2sonar


My system specs were in my signature that for some reason didn't get added to post:

Win 7 Ultimate (64 Bit) - Sonar X2 Producer Expanded (no bug fixes installed) 
M-Audio Delta 1010LT 
Intel(R) Core(TM)2 Quad CPU Q9550 (2.83 GHz) 
ASUS P5Q3 Motherboard 
ATI Radeon HD4800 Series Graphics 
4GB DDR3 RAM 
80GB Solid State System Drive 
250GB SATA Storage Drive (7200 RPM) 

I did a re-install of Windows a few months ago when I had a problem with using multiple Di Pro plugins, causing the sonarpdr.exe to constantly stop working. (As a side effect a lot of the projects were missing plugin settings - majorly frustrating trying to re-create all the sounds I'd lost). Learnt the hard way to save plugin settings! But not had any other Windows system problems.

I tried pressing shift to open project in safe mode but still won't respond?!

Sorry my frustrations are building up from constant time consuming problems, crashes and work-around. I'll try installing the X2a update and try again...

This forum is great for info - thanks for the tips!

I almost forgot this - should have mentioned it earlier.  If you go back into the Edit Profile, then click on the Signature tab, where you had entered your specs, down below is a check box you will need to check to tell the forum to attach your signature to your posts.  That will have your specs then attached to all future posts.


Bob Bone

Thanks for all your comments and advice.

First a few short answers:

Di Pro = Dimension Pro synth plugin, (sorry I used the abbreviation I have seen it used on here before but can understand full details always help in trouble shooting issues).

Bob - that check box was ticked on signature not sure why system specs didn't appear, but it did appear on my last post when I went and copied and pasted them (?!!)

Great tip - I managed to load old project into X2 using shift, (got some pop up boxes and said 'ok' to them but nothing really looked like 'safe mode'. I'll now try disabling all plugins and switching on one at a time and see which one stops it loading...

Not 'trolling' whatever that means - I just hit a wall of frustration, (which I'm sure we have all had at some time or another!)

My point about Logic vs Sonar was that it just worked, I used it for years on a PC and did end up using 5.5 on a PC with XP, (this is still on my old computer and I still use it from time to time and is very stable).

I agree that probably most of my problems could be Windows/PC related, (I will update all chipset, Bios etc after Xmas), but that was partly my original point - perhaps if I'd invested in my first ever Mac with Logic I wouldn't be having these issues all the time? Also I haven't been that impressed with M-Audio soundcard and have been thinking of switching to Motu...

I get the point that Apple haven't really done much to Logic over the years and are slow to update it as well with 'sexy' new features, but maybe Cakewalk should learn from this a bit. I get seduced with the constant new gizmos which will improve my projects and creativity, but then end up spending ages troubleshooting the side effects or installing patches/updates

Bottom line is I want to spend my time composing and recording - not trawling the internet for solutions to problems.

When it works Sonar is amazing and sounds great - just messes with my head and leads me away from creativity and into technical support too often!

Thanks for all your advice - Merry Christmas!

Well, rather than let a level of frustration fester and grow, post the issues you have here in the forum, and maybe a bunch of them can get resolved.  The key there is to post the issues.  There are a lot of folks here in the forum, and if there are setup/use issues present, there is a good chance that more than one person will know how to help you.

There are times when not installing a service pack might not be seen to be harmful, but there are times when things simply must move forward internally, such as with X2a and beyond.  

I would recommend that for projects you are having trouble with, to go ahead and do the safe mode, disabling/enabling plugins until you find out which ones are interfering with things.  It is a pain, but it does work.

Bob Bone