• SONAR
  • Phantom pitch-bend or transposition events MAKING ME NUTS!
2012/12/25 11:06:45
BCnSTL
I'm returning to SONAR after years with LOGIC. 
I've been working on a few simple musical ideas to re-familiarize myself with SONAR. Every MIDI track that I've recorded using my controller is being mysteriously transposed down 4 steps. It looks right in the piano-roll but playback is wrong. If I push the pitch-bend wheel all the way up, it sounds correct. There are no pitch-bend events in the PRV or event list (which sucks, btw - doesn't even show you which track you're currently viewing).  

I have a bass track that has been processed via Melodyne, it is being randomly pitch-adjusted too. WTH?

I have a drum track constructed via EZ Drummer, those events are NOT being bent or transposed. 

I'm losing my mind here. Any ideas at all?

2012/12/25 11:42:29
robert_e_bone
Hi - can you please provide the name of the soft-synth that you are having these problems with?

What version of Sonar are you running? (producer, essentials, etc, plus x32 or x64)

What operating system are you running, and is it 32 or 64 bit?

Are these actual MIDI tracks, or simple instrument tracks?

Thanks, 

Bob Bone



2012/12/25 12:37:41
BCnSTL
Sonar X2 Producer - 64 bit
Win7 64 bit
MIDI tracks
Dimension Pro, Rapture

If that helps, which I doubt since it seems clear to me this is a MIDI data issue, but what do I know?

2012/12/25 15:52:24
robert_e_bone
Thanks - just trying to get a better picture, since I have none of your setup in front of me.

I was asking about which synths because some (Kontakt, for example) have keys set up that vary from preset to preset, and from not being present to there being several present - 'trigger notes' that affect aspects of the sound the preset is playing.  For example, one of the strings sounds from Kontakt has several low notes that change the sound - pressing the low E on my controller causes the sound to change to pizzicato - NOT what I had wanted.  The same patch has several other trigger notes, each of which change something with the nature of the sound produced by that preset.  There are several such presets in Kontakt that I have run across, thus far.

Another NI instrument, Reaktor 5, has one preset that for some reason sometimes gets jazzed up and ends up playing back 1 whole step lower than it is supposed to.  That one still eludes me, as to the cause.

I am not aware of those issues with Dim Pro or Rapture, but that's why I was asking about what synths you are using.

Can you try swapping out Dim Pro for some other synth?  This would be just for a test.  It would seem to me that this would tell you if the problem is within the MIDI data itself or with Dim Pro, IF swapping to a different synth results in normal playback with no pitch dropping.

Bob Bone

2012/12/25 16:08:05
Guitarpima
Put the focus is on the particular midi track your having trouble with. In the inspector, is the "key" set to -4? Or you can set it to +4 to put it on the right key.
2012/12/25 19:14:13
robert_e_bone
Hey, Guitarpima - if that is Magilla Gorilla in your profile pic YOU ROCK!

Bob Bone
2012/12/25 19:50:43
Guitarpima
robert_e_bone


Hey, Guitarpima - if that is Magilla Gorilla in your profile pic YOU ROCK!

Bob Bone


It is not Magilla Gorilla. It is Grape Ape!!! Do I still ROCK!?
2012/12/25 20:15:17
robert_e_bone
Well - since it IS an ape, even though it's the 'wrong one', I guess you can still rock - like Milli Vanilli, or Wham.  :)

Bob Bone
2012/12/25 22:10:51
Guitarpima
I never saw Magilla Gorilla or, I don't remember him. Just the Grape Ape in the Laff Olympics. I learned of Magillla Gorilla later on. Now I just refer to some drummers as using the Magilla Gorilla method.
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