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2012/08/05 14:41:55
Guitarpima
The only thing I'm having a tantrum about is why I can't use Sonar to find fish while fishing. Wah wah wah. I want to find the fish! Wah wah wah!!!
2012/08/05 14:42:23
Brando
djwayne


I don't object to SV enhancements, I object to people bashing Sonar because of it. I object to a boycott of Sonar to force the issue.

I'm not gonna bash Cakewalk over notation. They have a fine product and provide great bang for the buck software. If you're not happy with it, too bad. There's probaly no pleasing some people no matter what you do.

I see where you are coming from, and I cringed when I saw the call for a "boycott" too. I am not going to boycott cake/SONAR either. Hell no. I love X1, but I am still looking forward to X2. I really want them to improve the staff view though.
 

2012/08/05 14:46:59
djwayne
Yes I'm looking foraward to X2 also, can't wait to get it, I'll take whatever improvents are there. I'm just not gonna come on the forum and wah wah wah whine about anything in particular.

Hey Beepster, GFYS. Nevermind, you already did.
2012/08/05 15:21:30
markno999
Interesting thread. I think the real question for Cake to ask themselves, from a purely business perspective, isn't how many current users would benefit from notation but how many new users they would attract.  It is no secret that when programs are used in grade schools, high schools or colleges, in many cases those programs develop a loyal user base.  People are naturally attracted to familiarity so someone using Product X in college is probably going to keep using it later.
 
It seems that several people have made the point that educators are not choosing Sonar due to lack of notation capabilities or acceptable integration with industry leaders. If Cake increases their user base then everyone benefits because Cake has a bigger user base and more development funds to continue improvements to the product.   There was a company called Autocad that this strategy worked very well for.  It seems to me that everyone is a winner in that case.,,whether you personally need notation or not......  Cake certainly know how to do this, they have the Staff View for one, and several years ago they spun off and sold their notation software (I think it is called Geniesoft)
 
Now back to Bill O'Reilly;)
 
Regards
2012/08/05 15:36:51
Michael Five
Beepster


I've mentioned this a few times now but I think it would be cool if the Cakewalk guys allowed a third party company to create a dockable, fully integrated Staff View add on so those who need it can buy it from the Cake Store. I'd probably invest in something like that.


PT guys told me last week that Avid had bought Sibelius and integrated into Protools, or were working on it, it was unclear. We were at the coffee shop...
2012/08/05 16:10:12
Beepster
@Michael Five... Interesting. Maybe Cakewalk could contract Avid to develop a Staff View add on. jk... ;-p
2012/08/05 16:43:17
ProjectM
Michael Five


Beepster


I've mentioned this a few times now but I think it would be cool if the Cakewalk guys allowed a third party company to create a dockable, fully integrated Staff View add on so those who need it can buy it from the Cake Store. I'd probably invest in something like that.


PT guys told me last week that Avid had bought Sibelius and integrated into Protools, or were working on it, it was unclear. We were at the coffee shop...

AFAIK When Avid bought Sibelius they eventually took some of the code into PT version 8 which is an absolutely stunning feature. BUT, it's not the full version of Sibelius embedded in PT, it's a very cut down version but the Pro Tools notation view runs in circles around Sonar's Staff View. No wonder, Sibelius made it! But Avid still wants to sell Sibelius to Pro Tools users so it's a cut down version.
 
You can see the notation view in this video and it's pretty sweet. I'm good with using Sibelius next to Sonar but it would be cool to have something simmilar in Sonar as well, either built in or as an add on.
 
I actually really like the Add on idea. A third party company specializing in notation could make it.
2012/08/05 16:58:51
Michael Five
djwayne


The more things you demand from Sonar, the higher the price will be.


The more people Sonar supplies with a satisfactory DAW, the lower the price will be. 
2012/08/05 17:20:24
ltb
ProjectM


Michael Five


Beepster


I've mentioned this a few times now but I think it would be cool if the Cakewalk guys allowed a third party company to create a dockable, fully integrated Staff View add on so those who need it can buy it from the Cake Store. I'd probably invest in something like that.


PT guys told me last week that Avid had bought Sibelius and integrated into Protools, or were working on it, it was unclear. We were at the coffee shop...

AFAIK When Avid bought Sibelius they eventually took some of the code into PT version 8 which is an absolutely stunning feature. BUT, it's not the full version of Sibelius embedded in PT, it's a very cut down version but the Pro Tools notation view runs in circles around Sonar's Staff View. No wonder, Sibelius made it! But Avid still wants to sell Sibelius to Pro Tools users so it's a cut down version.
 
You can see the notation view in this video and it's pretty sweet. I'm good with using Sibelius next to Sonar but it would be cool to have something simmilar in Sonar as well, either built in or as an add on.
 
I actually really like the Add on idea. A third party company specializing in notation could make it.


Enjoyed the video. 
This would be a very welcome add on for myself.
I've used Sonars' notation over the years & it's fine for a quick scratch chart.
Always have to hand edit it afterwards though, wish it handled transcribing better.
2012/08/05 17:24:21
djwayne
Have fun with your boycott, as for me I'm buying X2 as soon as it becomes available.
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