synkrotron
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Can you understand what I am saying? Just using Sibelius as an example here, it is so much more expensive... It might even be that Avid have some kind of copyright on the scoring software they have developed. Who knows... there may even be some kind of agreement between Cakewalk/Roland and Avid that Sonar will never compete with Sibelius in terms of staff view functionality.

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andy

 
 

You do know there are other scoring/notation software other there, don't you? Finale, Notion, Encore, MuseScore, Magic Score, etc. Not all are at the same evolution level, but they do exist out there. So it is not only Sibelius.
 

 
synkrotron

At the moment we have a staff view that functions at a certain level. It falls short of the kind of detail that you would get out of a package such as Sibelius. Can you really see Cakewalk putting as much development time into their current staff view in order to bring it up to the standards that the Sibelius uses expect. Considering the amount that you have to pay for Sibelius, I really cannot, for the life of me, see Cakewalk taking their current staff view to the level of Sibelius without some kind of additional charge, and they would do that, in my mind, by making it an add-on module that you would have to pay for.
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andy

Again not sure why such fixation about Sibelius and Avid. You keep insinuating that somebody is asking for Sibelius-like functionality built into SONAR. Just to clarify - nobody is asking for that. It's been said countless times. Since I mentioned it on the very first page of this tread, I thought it could be instructive for some to refer to these videos to try to get a flavor for what (at least) I would like to see CW implement:
 
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sqDK2Rhpb3g
 
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bFi9rsyh8eY
 
 
You know what part of the problem is, that this has been for so long neglected, that the cost to develop and build something like this into SONAR is most likely high enough for Cakewalk to be quite reluctant to entertain the idea at this point. Quite a shame.
 
Mr. Noel Borthwick has been active on the other X2 tread, maybe he would swing by and provide some kind feedback on this. Some of us would greatly appreciate it.
 
 
 

Don't let this thread change your opinion of the forum, synkro. There are the occasional flare ups but generally it's a pretty chilled place I find. Besides, I'd miss our chats if you left. We need good folks like you here. Cheers.

Cake just need to buy these guys scorecleaner.com Sound on Sound's review, while mentioning some stability issues to be fair, just blew me away. As far as I could see from the review, this product transcribes MIDI in a truly musical way without in any way claiming to be as complete as Sibelius. I'm just downloading the trial version now to check it out. Apparently it 'understands' swing and triplets etc. in a completely natural way. This is surely what Sonar needs......

Andy,

Your post at the top of this page does display a fairly negative flavor seemingly criticising the notion addressed by this tread, in a way not necessarily substantiated by reasonably sound arguments, but very loose expeculations. I truly meant no disrespect with my previous comment or this. And I do value having an open conversation within netiquette terms, and think this tread has basically stayed as such.

I've been using Cakewalk since v4, probably also going back to early the 90's or thereabouts, and extensively used v6 for some years, back then. So been on the CW boat for a good while, hence the bit of emotional load about where SONAR is headed. Reason why I do feel it would only be fair to seek some formal and serious advice from CW directly at this point.

I'm really surprised at what an awful place this forum has turned out to be... I am truly disappointed.

 
Like Beepster said, IMO this thread/topic is certainly not a good gauge of these forums.  It's just something that's been brought up many, many times, and it always end up with two separate "camps" that don't seem to understand each other very well.   More than any other feature set than I can think of, for whatever reason.    Stange how that works.
 
As for my comment, it wasn't intended for any one specific person.   Just look at the number of views this thread has had vs. the number of replies - it's a pretty big difference.   I just figured that a good number of people reading this thread may have never seen the classic notation threads of yore...  
 
 

synkrotron


I'm really surprised at what an awful place this forum has turned out to be... I am truly disappointed.

Andy this place is really mild and completely inoffensive compared to some sites that I could mention but I won't names names.


We always get a few heated discussions when a new version or upgrade is announced, so don't get put off. Hang on in there brother.

synkrotron


To be honest guys, I've been one of the least vocal about this kind of stuff on this Sonar/Cakewalk forum, and I have spent most of my time trying to help others with their MIDI problems. I mentioned very early in this very topic what my position was regarding staff view, and the fact that I hadn't used it since early Cakewalk days, before it even had audio capabilities, simply because it was never as versatile as the piano role.

So, as I'm reading through the rest of the posts here, I felt that the guys wanting to see improvements in staff view had a point and I was changing my opinion. I then had a bit of a ramble, sort of talking to myself really, trying to figure, in my own mind, why Cakewalk is ignoring peoples requests to improve staff view.

I seriously wish that I had not bothered ever coming here now. And this is always the danger, isn't it? When you put something into writing here, on the WWW, it is always open to misinterpretation and be taken out of context.

Gusfmm, I am not the only one that has mentioned Sibelius in the topic, and I only mentioned it because someone had mentioned it before me, and so I picked up on that. And Cakewalk recommend this software on their site too. I was only using that one as an example, out of many, and yes, I am already aware of them, but what was the point of mentioning every single notation package available?

But I also understand that we have a few newer users on board who haven't had the pleasure.  Uh, I mean experience.

I'm not sure who that refers to... it certainly can't be me. I've been a member here since 2006, and I've been using Cakewalk since 1993.




I'm really surprised at what an awful place this forum has turned out to be... I am truly disappointed.

I didn't think you were opposed to SV improvements. Nor did I think you were being like another poster that I wont name.


I thought you had a reasonable approach but had some misunderstandings. I don't think you deserve a harsh post in response.


To me often when a poster makes an argument that is well thought out and is well within the TOS it offers one an opportunity to set the record straight. To make a counter argument. This is a valuable aspect to this forum. 


I think Synkrotron you are a fine member of this forum and I look forward to reading more of your posts. 


I also think that we are a little jaded by having to dredge this up from time to time. 


BTW I was not going to get involved because I have been on just about all of these threads. But the nameless poster started picking on posters here. That requires other members to "get involved".


The only reason I am posting this is I value your contributions. 

If synkrotron leaves I'm boycotting pants... and that ain't good for nobody.