If synkrotron leaves I'm boycotting pants... and that ain't good for nobody.

 
Dude, please... for all that's good in this world, don't do it.    
 

Me dummy has been cleaned off, and teddy is back in me pram.

 
Umm...    was that English?       Ha!  Just kidding.  I know it was actually British.   English is what we use on this side of the pond.   Now *there's* a discussion that can get heated!   
 
 
Good to see you're back in the water for another swim.  Don't let the other fish bother you too much, it's a public pool.
 

Oh good. The pants will stay on then. ;-p

Sibelius 7 First would be a great program to integrate into Sonar 2. Why? Because i have it.

Exactly. Everyone get back to your DAWs and put this energy into some kick *** tunes. I myself am in the process of wrapping my head around BFD before I drag my butt to the hospital tomorrow.

well thanks for mentioning this scorecleaner.com I will check that out I just downloaded tux guitar a tablature program that opens guitar pro and power tab files so now I can open the songs written in the latest version of guitar pro that I couldn't open without buying the latest version. By the way its a free program.

synkrotron

John

Why do you say CW will charge extra for something that is already included? 

Hi John,


At the moment we have a staff view that functions at a certain level. It falls short of the kind of detail that you would get out of a package such as Sibelius. Can you really see Cakewalk putting as much development time into their current staff view in order to bring it up to the standards that the Sibelius uses expect. Considering the amount that you have to pay for Sibelius, I really cannot, for the life of me, see Cakewalk taking their current staff view to the level of Sibelius without some kind of additional charge, and they would do that, in my mind, by making it an add-on module that you would have to pay for.

Can you understand what I am saying? Just using Sibelius as an example here, it is so much more expensive... It might even be that Avid have some kind of copyright on the scoring software they have developed. Who knows... there may even be some kind of agreement between Cakewalk/Roland and Avid that Sonar will never compete with Sibelius in terms of staff view functionality.

I'm not deliberately trying to cause more of a rumpus here... I am just trying to reason, in my own head, why things are like they are with our staff view, that's all.

cheers

andy

Andy,
 
I don't know how many people misunderstand this, but apparently a lot of people.  You're comparing a notation program with a DAW, you're comparing the notation funtion of a DAW, which is for MIDI input and editing, with a notation program, which exists to create published-quality scores and song sheets.  Sonar's staff view leaves a lot to be desired, so much in fact that I am using Sonar 7.0.2 because it lacks the new bugs that the staff view in X1 has.  But the complaint that a notation editor in a DAW should do what Sibelius or Finale does is really a useless complaint.  Even Cubase, which has superior notation functions to Sonar, isn't capable of doing what Sibelius does, it too is not designed for that.  I wish the people who gripe about the staff view would first understand what it's about.  Besides this, if X2 doesn't resolves many of the very-long-standing issues with Sonar's staff view, my view is that Sonar will never fix it, my view is that they simply don't understand the importance of notation to the creation of detailed, complex music composition and orchestration and never will.   Cakewalk has been unwilling to repair the bugs in the staff view for at least 5 versions or so, inaction speaks louder than words--they're essentially telling the end-user is to forget about it.  By the way, Sonar 7 works well as a 64-bit program in a 64-bit OS environment so there is really no need to upgrade unless you just enjoy spending money or have a fetish for the newest version, even though it's common knowledge that in software the newest version is not always the best version.
 
Jerry Gerber
www.jerrygerber.com
 
 

People:  Why all the anger?  We haven't even seen the 2nd trailer.  And on the X2 page
 
http://www.cakewalk.com/SONAR-X2/
 
Under the "Deliver icon (with the headphones)", they actual list "Print Notation" as a feature.
 
If they have the ballz to list that as a feature, I can only assume that there will be some improvement

He wasn't complaining. Synkrotron was NOT complaining. Neither was I. It was (mostly) a friendly and intelligent discussion on a relevant issue in regards to Sonar. Nothing more... nothing less. These discussions help the Cakesters know what the people want. It seems many of the functions and doodads within the current versions are based on requests that have been made on this forum. The more we keep the conversations going (and civil) the better the product will become. At least that is the impression I get from Cakewalk as a company. They do care and they do want to make things better for us wherever they can. That's part of the reason I am happy and proud to own their software. I know I'm a n00b but when people talk AND (this is the most important part, folks) LISTEN the human beast can accomplish great things. Heck, we just landed a freaking truck on Mars last night. That took a whole heck of a lot of cooperation and communication. Maybe we can call the next major Cakewalk version Cakewalk Curiosity. ;-)