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Hi,
 
I have often posted and answered Cakewalk surveys just to express my frustration on Cakewalk/Sonar notation before.
 
On the Sonar forum, Gusfmm has published the BEST post (below) on notation I have ever read!
 
Why... of course because his clarity but mostly because of the YT links. Watching those two videos are HUGELY PAINFUL as a Sonar user!!!
 
As I said before, I (and lots of Sonar users) use the written language of music which is of course Notation and would love to do so in Sonar. At this point, this is barely possible.
 
How can Cakewalk pretend they offer professional level software without adequate notation (as in the Cubase videos below) is beyond me!!
 
And, unfortunately, I have stopped hoping for Sonar to join the other DAWs in decent Notation capabilities... and also buying upgrades Sonar upgrades (until that is, Notation is re-imagined).
 
So Bakers: any chance, this might change??
Jon
  
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You do know there are other scoring/notation software other there, don't you? Finale, Notion, Encore, MuseScore, Magic Score, etc. Not all are at the same evolution level, but they do exist out there. So it is not only Sibelius.

synkrotron

At the moment we have a staff view that functions at a certain level. It falls short of the kind of detail that you would get out of a package such as Sibelius. Can you really see Cakewalk putting as much development time into their current staff view in order to bring it up to the standards that the Sibelius uses expect. Considering the amount that you have to pay for Sibelius, I really cannot, for the life of me, see Cakewalk taking their current staff view to the level of Sibelius without some kind of additional charge, and they would do that, in my mind, by making it an add-on module that you would have to pay for.
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andy

Again not sure why such fixation about Sibelius and Avid. You keep insinuating that somebody is asking for Sibelius-like functionality built into SONAR. Just to clarify - nobody is asking for that. It's been said countless times. Since I mentioned it on the very first page of this tread, I thought it could be instructive for some to refer to these videos to try to get a flavor for what (at least) I would like to see CW implement:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sqDK2Rhpb3g

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bFi9rsyh8eY


You know what part of the problem is, that this has been for so long neglected, that the cost to develop and build something like this into SONAR is most likely high enough for Cakewalk to be quite reluctant to entertain the idea at this point. Quite a shame.

Mr. Noel Borthwick has been active on the other X2 tread, maybe he would swing by and provide some kind feedback on this. Some of us would greatly appreciate it.
 

Shinyhead


 
How can Cakewalk pretend they offer professional level software without adequate notation (as in the Cubase videos below) is beyond me!!
 

Watch out.  Whenever I make this point the flames start flying.  It could get ugly.

Shinyhead

Again not sure why such fixation about Sibelius and Avid. You keep insinuating that somebody is asking for Sibelius-like functionality built into SONAR. Just to clarify - nobody is asking for that. It's been said countless times. Since I mentioned it on the very first page of this tread, I thought it could be instructive for some to refer to these videos to try to get a flavor for what (at least) I would like to see CW implement:

This is an endless loop of ignorance.   I even emailed one of the moderators about notation and the reply was that you might see incremental improvements but Sonar will never be like Sibelius.  Just shoot me!  If even they don't get this there is no hope.  Don't expect them to chime in.  They avoid this subject like the plague because they nothing is going to happen.

I believe if they had the open source code they would address the remaining issues. My guess is they do not and this is a result of the split/spin off company so long ago. 

rabeach


I believe if they had the open source code they would address the remaining issues. My guess is they do not and this is a result of the split/spin off company so long ago. 
 
 
Rabeach,
 
Let's say you are right about the missing code...
 
I would say it's a non-issue as the best thing CW could do is ditch everything related to Notation in Sonar and replace with brand new Notation.
 
And yes, looking over Cubase would be a great place to start...

On the off-chance that someone from Cakewalk looks at this ... I'm a no-keyboard-skill vocalist who will enter a complex vocal piece so that I can hear/learn my part at different speeds, either alone or against the other parts. I take and scan old baroque/classical chamber music scores, remove the bassoon line and then put the resulting audio file on a CD so that a bassoon-playing sibling will have something interesting to practice to. I sometimes MIDI/karaoke-ize a chorus number in a show so that kids who don't play (or have parents who play) keyboard can learn their music using any old home computer. I used Sonar 1 through 7 before my frustration with the staff and lyric views (is it yet possible, for example, to enter a capital "C" in the lyric view without using the shift-lock key?) drove me to look for--and to pay for and to use--some other tool. When Cakewalk sends me an email announcing a new version, I wait a few days and then pop in here to gauge the community reaction to staff/lyric view changes ... and then disappear for another year. It's not a "boycott", as some people have suggested. I've just found other tools that are better than Sonar for what I want to do with computers and music. Based on what I'm reading, I guess I'll see you all again next year.

Shinyhead

rabeach


I believe if they had the open source code they would address the remaining issues. My guess is they do not and this is a result of the split/spin off company so long ago. 
 
 
Rabeach,
 
Let's say you are right about the missing code...
 
I would say it's a non-issue as the best thing CW could do is ditch everything related to Notation in Sonar and replace with brand new Notation.
 
And yes, looking over Cubase would be a great place to start...

I have been asking for Notation additions for 12 years.

I don't want to get my hopes high, but under the Deliver element in this page http://www.cakewalk.com/SONAR-X2/ there's "Print Notation".  It leads me to believe that there are some notation improvements if they are listing this as a feature in X2.
Finger crossed,
Sergio