Elffin


I did see Noel respond in another thread that Cakewalk respond to the feature request..  so can all of you good people again send in feature requests..


But ....
Why is it so difficult to place music value icons in the SV like Benstat did????  Ben did this when he wasn't involved with Cake... so its a decision by Cakewalk not to include it... 

I just feel its like talking with somebody with their hands on their ears.... 

Where's the link with feature request?
Thanks,
Serge

http://www.cakewalk.com/Support/FeatureRequest.asp

Thanks

To make an idea, take a look to the Noel Borthwick 's avatar.  There's a big message...LOL  The cup of coffee on the music sheet!!!  There not that important!

Just joking!

LOL

NOTATION IS VERY IMPORTANT TO SOME OF US!!
 
I use to like editing using events, piano roll and notation (after some quantizing to get rid of some un-needed tied 16 & 32th notes etc). I take it notation would only be available on MIDI tracks. So, does bounce to clips convert audio to MIDI where you can see, edit and print notation? If so, don't we already have notation included in Sonar unless everyone is referring to character add in's - i.e. pedal or cresendos etc.? Or has that changed with X1/X2?
 
Those of you who do not read music, kudos to you if you are playing more than I, IV, V. It takes a little genius, feel and a lot of memory to depend on, just as a jazz musician does with improvisation. However, if also classically trained, composing and trying to write a score, Sonar would be the way to go if good NOTATION were included without having to buy an expensive third party program. You can hear what it should sound "like" from all the different instruments and features available, when you print out each individual part transposed for that instrument in the proper key and clef to put in front of a live or studio orchestra. To print out a lead sheet with chords transposed say for an Eb Alto sax would be very useful to jazz players. Has anyone looked into the Nashville Numbering Notation System used in studio recording and would that be available for composers using Sonar? (Similar to a lead sheet or chord chart but with numbers so you can easily play it in any key.) I have not played with X1 Producer Expanded too much yet. I will move to X2 Producer and do not know what Sonar has improved on or digressed to in Notation as I have not used Cakewalk since the preDAW days of just MIDI when my 486 b/w laptop with Cakewalk Professional for Windows 2.0 MIDI finally died a few years ago. (I just kept buying the upgrades but the hardware requirement always seemed too expensive to upgrade to until now.) I printed out notation using my first Cakewalk program on my Atari ST1040. It was a different file format so when I went to Windows, even though it was printed on a dot matrix printer, I was able to read the score and record the parts quickly again instead of picking out the parts measure by measure, part by part. (Didn't know about direct MIDI to MIDI transfer until after...)

 So, does bounce to clips convert audio to MIDI where you can see, edit and print notation?

Nope.


Bounce to clips will a) consolidate all your shorter clips into one big one b) render any Audiosnapped material c) convert any arpeggiated Midi chords to their distinct notes d) merge any layered Midi/Audio data into one clip (but doesn't remove the layer

To each his own, but notation is to music as writing and the alphabet are to language.  We can discuss what features need to be included, but it is critical that a program for music creation be able to display music as notation and allow editing in that view.

Sonar does that but it has some very serious flaws.

jsg

SToons

Jimbo 88


Hey Jerry,  great post.

Wouldn't it be cool if X2 had staff view like Sonar 7 (plus a few extras!)??.

Man, that would make my life soooo much better.   

Out of curiosity, how do you find the Staff View in Sonar X1 differs from Sonar 7?

Sonar 7 has the note value selections more accesible, right on the toolbar, always visible, the track pane on the staff view is linked to the active MIDI track, so you can hear a particular instrument by clicking on it without having to leave the staff view, X1 doesn't have that, either by error or design.   Sonar 7 also does not have the bug where you select a note length and you get the wrong note as in X1.  This seems to happen when you go from inputting triplets to non-triplets or visa versa.  
 
JG
www.jerrygerber.com
 

As you stated, there are SV bugs or loss of functionality in X1 (and probably X2) introduced since Sonar 7.


Then there is functionality which never has never existed in the SV which people would like to see implemented.  There is a post about communicating feature requests for the SV, however, it would take much longer to see any new functionality implemented in X2 (if ever).


Perhaps if you could provide specific bullet points of bugs or loss of functionality introduced since Sonar 7, then WE COULD ALL submit bug reports, and at least have a chance of seeing these things fixed in X2, or more likely, with a patch.

Thanks.

PS - I noticed in the X2 webinar that PRV has got some duration and snap icons in the upper right of the PRV - why don't those exist in the SV?  Or am I missing something - are you supposed to use the HUD in SV?
 

Great thread here! I guess I have to chip in, for whatever that's worth.

The very fact that I cannot select the notes that are beyond the staves is enough to drive me crazy. I don't necessary use notation to sequence because of realism issues. But it's crucial for:

1. Editing of individual notes. (yes, that can be done in PRV, but not my preference)
2. Global view of my arrangement and composition. I need to see everything to get my harmony, counterpoint etc right. It's not just listening, but also seeing it. You can't visualize it in PRV. As it is, it's a pain to my workflow as I have to resort to paper for certain sections of my music just to see my arrangements. 

The only time I've tried using PRV was more than 10 years ago (on Cakewalk Professional 7).  It's too limited for me and I've never used it since. PRV is basically a useless feature for me. I don't need notation at the level of Sibelius - I just need it to be improved. That's not too much a request, I feel.