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2. Global view of my arrangement and composition. I need to see everything to get my harmony, counterpoint etc right. It's not just listening, but also seeing it. You can't visualize it in PRV. As it is, it's a pain to my workflow as I have to resort to paper for certain sections of my music just to see my arrangements. 

That's exactly what I do. Some parts I write via a midi keyboard, others via the PRV, but I always have the staff view open because that's what music looks like to me, we can immediately see a harmony error.


The lyrics view is something that doesn't get much mention here, it's important to me. It's totally broken with a bug that Cakewalk won't even admit to, a simple work around is to keep the track as a single clip. I'm still angry that Cakewalk support never told me that, I discovered it by accident on this forum.

Ok - my fault.  

In my last post with an image of the PRV in X2, I mistakenly assumed that there was a separate duation and snap and button for the PRV.  It is actually a separate Snap setting in PRV from the Global Snap setting which was introduced in X1c.
Of course one could ask why the SV doesn't have the option of sharing this separate PRV snap setting, but is suppose the bakers would have you use the HUD while editing in the SV.  

I would prefer to see the note durations, fill durations, trim durations, snap settings, and a scrub button displayed in the header frame of the SV.  (Note draw duration icons were included in Benstat's Sonar Plus add-on in both the SV and PRV, so I can't imagine that this would be impossible).  

Actually, it would be kind of cool if the HUD / smart tool could take on SV related functionality while in the SV.

I'm not asking SONAR to be a very good notation program.  We all know what it takes to do a professionnal music chart.  And there is some program out there that do the job close to perfectly.
 
What I need some time is to make a fast lead sheet because my friends are coming in for a jam session in two hours and I just need to do it fast and because I know that we will start on with the piece of paper but soon that gonna be take out LOL
 
So, what I will concretly like to see improve in the staff view will be something that don't influence the sound of the the tracks.  Signs like repeat, da, segno, coda that will come from (I don't know where)...
 
It's only and idea and it could be very usefull for me at least and probably for some other members here too...
Have a good week end and thank you!!

I'm with you Muzock, and thanks Jonesey for your reply! Much appreciated, I was a little confused...

Who looked into the future and saw nothing but loops ? Is that really a large percentage of sonars users ? I can not recall ever filling out a questionnaire asking if I use staff view loops etc 

I am not sure if I can do this with X1 but I used to write in the staff notation and then use the PRV to bring it to life (on the same screen/ not switching between screens) 

Well, I still maintain (and have sent in the feature request) that a more 'musical' staff view would be useful.  Something that takes all the notation, expressions, etc and can intelligently create editable MIDI CC's in that I could then further edit in the PRV.  And maybe I could even make stylistic selections (jazz, rock, baroque) that would set parameters for how Sonar 'interpreted' those symbols.
 
Yes, I know this currently exists in Finale with the Human Playback engine and I use it.  But as a compositional tool how nice it would be to have this capability right there in Sonar instead of having to create and export the tracks from Finale! 
 
For score preparation I would still use Finale, I don't expect Sonar to become a full on replacement for that.  But there are so many things I love about Sonar as a composition toolkit that I can't help but wish that Cake would just go ahead and make Sonar my one stop for composing!
 
So my suggestion is, just hire Robert Piechaud (designed the Finale Human Playback engine) and put all us notation geeks out of your misery! :-)  

how hard would it be to just enable sonar to work like this? right click inside a midi clip and open in your fave third party notation program, several free ones out there and then the file save as would work to enable you to save your work to your project file so it could be auto imported into a track lane to compare it with your existing midi file.

With 346 messages and 10439 views, I think it shows the member's interest about the staff view and maybe somebody at Cakewalk will take this seriously a little bit more important...
Heu...maybe, I came 20 times myself for that...

Even just supporting x64 rewire for midi tracks from a slave would make me get X2 upgrade.

For me notation is necessary for registering songs for publishing to be able to get royalty if any artist would record them and so on. That is my goal with my songwriting - no artist ambition whatsoever.

And when I've been renting vocalists it's was useful to get melody and lyrics out on PDF together with mp3 of backtrack to prepare before coming.

I like the basic implementation of Staff View in Sonar. I think it's rather clever.

So bakers, here is another vote.

Hello,

I was also here for several times to listen to all the other comments to this topic.
Of course I will also vote for better staff view and notation features in sonar. As many members wrote, notation is the language of music and such a powerful daw should have a corresponding level of notation features. For me it is the only thing I´m missing to put sonar on the same level as the other famous daw's.

Kind regards from germany,
Timo