musicman100


Please you newcomers, do a search on this topic. It has been begged for and the topic beat to death for many years. Threats, comparisons, boycotts, etc, have all been broached. True integrated scoring is not going to happen.....Just accept it or move on /

Newcomers? I've been a member of this forum longer than you.  Maybe you should be the one to do a search on this topic and read the same question that I posted when X1 came out (http://forum.cakewalk.com/tm.aspx?m=2119593).  The first reply came from Brandon:
We do realize Staff View is important to a good portion of SONAR users and we do still hope to enhance the Staff View more substantially in the future under the framework of the new Skylight interface.
I don't think that, with a reply like that, it's unreasonable for us to expect notation improvement.
I don't want full notation capabilities but something simple that does work.  Try viewing a triplet rest under staff view.  That's just plain sad.
Sergio

djwayne


Sonar is what it is. Expecting something more and crying about it is like going to a restaurant ordering a steak then complaining because it doesn't come with shrimp too.

Sonar is what it is today. That has no barring on what it will be tomorrow. 


Through the years we as users have asked for and gotten a great many improvements in Sonar. There is no reason for us to stop asking for this improvement simply because it is taking a long time to get. All that means to me is we need to put more pressure on it. 


You sir benefit greatly by our efforts. Would like me to list what I have asked for over the years and gotten?  Everyone that proposes an improvement to Sonar is doing us all a service. Because this issue is a long standing one does not mean it is never going to be implemented as requested. 


Its simply a matter of will on the part of CW to get it done. Judging by CW's responses through the years it is in fact something they know about and would like to address. 


I also strongly believe it is a very important issue. One that should be brought up from time to time until we get it. 


But it will come that I am sure of. The question is when.


 

sergiobklyn

musicman100


Please you newcomers, do a search on this topic. It has been begged for and the topic beat to death for many years. Threats, comparisons, boycotts, etc, have all been broached. True integrated scoring is not going to happen.....Just accept it or move on /

Newcomers? I've been a member of this forum longer than you.  Maybe you should be the one to do a search on this topic and read the same question that I posted when X1 came out (http://forum.cakewalk.com/tm.aspx?m=2119593).  The first reply came from Brandon:
We do realize Staff View is important to a good portion of SONAR users and we do still hope to enhance the Staff View more substantially in the future under the framework of the new Skylight interface.
I don't think that, with a reply like that, it's unreasonable for us to expect notation improvement.
I don't want full notation capabilities but something simple that does work.  Try viewing a triplet rest under staff view.  That's just plain sad.
Sergio

 
 
John

djwayne


Sonar is what it is. Expecting something more and crying about it is like going to a restaurant ordering a steak then complaining because it doesn't come with shrimp too.

Sonar is what it is today. That has no barring on what it will be tomorrow. 


Through the years we as users have asked for and gotten a great many improvements in Sonar. There is no reason for us to stop asking for this improvement simply because it is taking a long time to get. All that means to me is we need to put more pressure on it. 


You sir benefit greatly by our efforts. Would like me to list what I have asked for over the years and gotten?  Everyone that proposes an improvement to Sonar is doing us all a service. Because this issue is a long standing one does not mean it is never going to be implemented as requested. 


Its simply a matter of will on the part of CW to get it done. Judging by CW's responses through the years it is in fact something they know about and would like to address. 


I also strongly believe it is a very important issue. One that should be brought up from time to time until we get it. 


But it will come that I am sure of. The question is when.

THANK YOU John
THANK YOU Sergio
 
So better said than anything I have.....musicman100 is a good guy with a good point tho 

The thing some folks need to understand is yes the forum is a great place for us to learn and chat but it also serves a HUGE purpose to Cakewalk and its parent company Roland. This is pretty much the best form of free market research you can get. If everyone just clammed up and were afraid to voice an opinion lest *gasp* someone may find that view contrary to their own you would end up with products that are based on blind boot licking that serve no real purpose or function to anyone in the real world. Cake gave us this forum to voice our opinions and connect with each other. Not to placate their egos. As John said, when people here speak their minds the products get better. That is a good thing. Peace.

Sergio and everyone who wants better integrated Notation for X2... It's not happening just like I have to accept that X1e isn't happening. We all want something and somethings improved but it doesn't mean we'll get what we ask for. Notation isn't high on their list of features unless they are just taking their time and plan on rolling it out in a future version. Heck, all of the Expanded features were meant to be X2 features from the get go but they rolled those features out as an upgrade and continued work on the remaining features of X2 because they weren't ready to take the cake out of the oven. They never planned on continuing to do an Expanded version, it was solely for X1 and they already knew it would be back to the 3 versions.

  Eventually I tired of waiting for notation improvements and after staying with Sonar from version 2 right through to 8.1, I jumped ship to Reaper. But wait, I hear you say. Reaper has no notation functionality at all!. Absolutely true, but there was no reason for persevering with Sonar's less than stable audio engine and quirkiness as a VST host any longer. I swapped these for rock-solid stability and decided to do any notation stuff externally. Every few years I pop back to the forum when a new version of Sonar is announced, in the (vain) hope that Cakewalk will actually do something about this - I'd definitely upgrade to a new version of Sonar if - finally - the integrated notation was actually improved beyond the point of marginally usable. It mystifies me utterly that Cake ignore this area. It's like having a word processor that only has one font and in capitals only, doesn't do justification and can't insert page breaks. I can only conjecture that Cake's target market (in their marketing people's minds, at any rate) are teenage rap artists and bedroom tinkerers with a keyboard in the corner on which are sticky labels with note names, who believe that, if only they had a perfectly accurate emulation of some vintage console channel strip, they'd be making hit records. That's utterly condescending to the majority of *real* users, of course - and, by the way I mean no offence to teenage rap artists - I just infer that, quite rightly, they don't really need notation - but I just cannot figure out any other rational explanation for the current situation.

It's not a matter of "bootlicking" it's a matter of appreciating what is there. Sonar works well for me and my needs. I don't need notation and I don't want to be forced into paying for it or the developement of it.  You guys have been bashing Sonar over this for quite some time. It's time to get a life.  Sonar, love it or leave it.

djwayne


It's not a matter of "bootlicking" it's a matter of appreciating what is there. Sonar works well for me and my needs. I don't need notation and I don't want to be forced into paying for it or the developement of it.  You guys have been bashing Sonar over this for quite some time. It's time to get a life.  Sonar, love it or leave it.

This is a joke, right? 


In case it isn't  the last line is so cliche that it reads like a joke. 


I wont comment on the other ideas held within your post except to say, how selfish.  

Why should I have to pay for software developement that YOU want ??  I would prefer Cakewalk spends their developement money on stability and new features. Notation is something I don't need.

You're asking me to chip in and pay for this developement. Forget it !! Maybe you'd like to buy me some software ?? Of course you wouldn't. But I'm being selfish ????