• SONAR
  • An observation (p.2)
2012/12/22 12:33:57
pathos
SteveStrummerUK


Oh it's absolutely marvellous.

Possibly the most exciting, incredible, stupendous, marvellous and incredible bit of software ever written in the whole 13.7 billion years since the Big Bang.

I'm so flushed with overwhelming excitement I think I may have just come in my pants.

Wow!!!!!!

What a majestic upgrade this really is.

Really.
LOL
Really!


2012/12/22 12:36:12
miguelito
I'm a relative newcomer to these forums. Though I have had a copy of Cakewalk since around '97 I seldom/never used it. That changed a few years back and I came on board full time with 8.5.3.

Though it was not with out its growing pains I was very pleased with the direction that I saw with X1 - which was stable on my system/workflow.

The original release of X2 was even more of an eyeopener as far as workflow integration and transparency in the way I work. Stability was fine. I am very pleased with the X2a patch I've seen a couple items that I really like, nothing earth shattering just better.

And that brings up the topic of 'touch' and Win 8. Looking through the videos with Noel and the others it appears that going back into X1 Cakewalk was already looking into what was coming which, in my interpretation, was one of the  major reasons for the redesign to X1. I haven't been looking at other DAWs of late but AFAIK none of them support touch in a native operating system way.

I think that X2, while still not perfect, deserves more than kudos. I think it represents a culmination of effort and vision that is truly remarkable. I really can't say just how impressed I am.

Regards, 
2012/12/22 13:00:47
John
miguelito


I'm a relative newcomer to these forums. Though I have had a copy of Cakewalk since around '97 I seldom/never used it. That changed a few years back and I came on board full time with 8.5.3.

Though it was not with out its growing pains I was very pleased with the direction that I saw with X1 - which was stable on my system/workflow.

The original release of X2 was even more of an eyeopener as far as workflow integration and transparency in the way I work. Stability was fine. I am very pleased with the X2a patch I've seen a couple items that I really like, nothing earth shattering just better.

And that brings up the topic of 'touch' and Win 8. Looking through the videos with Noel and the others it appears that going back into X1 Cakewalk was already looking into what was coming which, in my interpretation, was one of the  major reasons for the redesign to X1. I haven't been looking at other DAWs of late but AFAIK none of them support touch in a native operating system way.

I think that X2, while still not perfect, deserves more than kudos. I think it represents a culmination of effort and vision that is truly remarkable. I really can't say just how impressed I am.

Regards, 

I am of the same opinion. I took a lot of flack from some for seeing X1 as a very remarkable development. How many threads were posted about how ones work flow was destroyed by X1 when I saw an improvement. Threads were posted about lost features and I started a thread asking just what those features were. It turned out that really none were removed. Most were improved. But one needed to read the manual in order to understand how to get to them.

I also thought that X1 was meant for the future. When X2 came out it was clear that CW had been thinking about the future long and hard. What we see now is a company that is hooked into what MS and Intel are doing and what they will do to a degree that few other companies are.

CW has always been ahead of the crowd. A very innovative company that plans long term.   

I am not saying I knew that touch would be coming when X1 was released. I did think something was up and that CW was preparing for it. After X2 came out it all fell into place. 

I know exactly what you mean Mike and we are at the beginning of a whole new world of how a DAW works.

The possibilities seem endless. 


2012/12/22 13:04:14
bapu
John
The possibilities seem endless. 

Especially since the world did not end yesterday.
2012/12/22 13:30:12
John
One more thought. I think screen sets will become even more useful and important with touch. 
2012/12/22 13:45:42
miguelito
John: FWIW I've been very skeptical about Win 8. When I saw Slate's Raven and Yamaha's Nuage I was completely blown away by the concept but I still didn't link it up with that capacity in Win 8...I know, I know, how dumb can one be (lol). The negative thing about both of those systems, IMO at least, is that they are still using an out dated paradigm. In this case my DAW (Sonar), through their proprietary software displaying on what I assum to be a propietary display. The result is overpriced and overly complicated.

To counter that approach, Sonar goes straight through the OS to a relatively inexpensive display and they have complete control over the level of integration. Something which would never be possible through Raven or Nuage...think ACT and MIDI mapping. Cakewalk's approach, direct OS calls by the DAW, to me is completely earth shattering.

Now to counter my statement about Win 8 in this post, sometime in the very near future, possibly today, I will be popping for Win 8 and a decent dedicated monitor as a Control Surface.

I'm not 100% sure that this experience will be pain free but, like you, I see a very bright future ahead.

Regards,
2012/12/22 14:30:00
robert_e_bone
Mike - just make sure to research drivers for your components PRIOR to installing Windows 8.

And, things are a bit different in Win 8, such as that #%(*!%(8 Metro interface.  (I bypassed it and work pretty much in Desktop View to salvage my sanity.

Bob Bone
2012/12/22 15:25:31
John
Bob with a touch screen Metro may be a lot more useful. As you know all the programs are there and are ideally suited to touch. 

Mike I think you and I are simpatico. 

I kinda feel a little sorry for all the dedicated touch screen CS developers.  


2012/12/22 19:10:46
Grem
I upgraded to Win8 on my home Pc from Vista SP2. With all the talk of the Metro interface I was very secptical of Win8 all together. But for $40, I took a chance. And from playing with Win8 on a non-touch system for about a month I can tell you I like it and will most likely upgrade my music win7 machine to it also. The Metro UI isn't as bad as everyone made it out to be. I rather like it! Hell I'm looking at a touch screen now that the X2 videos are out now!!
2012/12/22 21:51:48
miguelito
Mike - just make sure to research drivers for your components PRIOR to installing Windows 8.

 
I hear you Bob. Given their stellar reputation I was mildly annoyed that RME didn't have a dedicated Win 8 driver yet. Rumor has it that the Win 7 driver works fine though,,.
 
On the Metro thing...I've been watching Microsoft's Developer Network on that and finally decided to develop my first app at work using the Metro UI Components. I think it is a truism that the older we get the more difficult change becomes. In this case I think there will be pros and cons for Metro.
 
Regards,
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