amiller

---um, what?  A "scrub tool" is exactly that--You scrub the tool with your cursor/mouse.  It kind of loses its point if it continues to play...

Ahhh...you couldn't be more wrong.  If you've ever worked with Roland's VS2480 recorder you would know what I was talking about.  I want to be able to stop moving the mouse and still hear sound so that I can then very slowly move the mouse backward or forward to find the very very beginning of a piece of music...with my ears not my eyes...

Hi, Amiller - I'm sure you're describing a scrub behavior you'd like, but I'm not understanding - The example you gave is exactly the sort of thing you can do with a scrub tool which is precise, like the one we have.  You scrub back and forth, narrowing in on what you need to hear.  --If it kept playing, how would you know exactly what portion of the sound to work with--?-- In any case, scrub, she works for me the way it is.  Maybe I'd have to have the experience of working with a version that didn't scrub as I expect, and maybe I'd get it then.  But as it is, I come up short of imagining what you're describing as being an improvement.

It's like that with some features - Users have different expectations or needs, and I can imagine it would be difficult for programmers to decide what to do actually since there isn't a consensus about how a particular tool should operate.

RB

HumbleNoise

rbowser

HumbleNoise





I've worked around it with a hidden (Track Manager) Audio track and open that template with Cntrl 'N' as my 'Normal' template but I would like a true Blank template with operational Screen Sets. Maybe someday though I don't think many of us use a true blank template - could be wrong.

hehe--I recognize this particular war-dance, Humble - Your desire for a Normal template that has no tracks.  I'm sorry, but I still don't get what the big deal is.  You either use the tracks that come with the template, or you take 3 seconds (tops!--I timed it) to delete them.--  So not a biggie.

RB

True Randy and also true with a lot of other issues. 3 Seconds and you're good to go. To me that's the point of any change in a feature - the 3 seconds.

It's only one additional click to deselect all MIDI notes when editing a MIDI clip, it's only one click to set the snap to be different in PRV than track view. All of them 'no big deal' when looked at in that way. So no need to change any of them?

Hi, HN - I was talking only about the template default having the two tracks.  I wasn't referring to any other issue users are having, and so wasn't making any judgement about how vital any of the other fixes are. 

I do know what the thing is with me and this particular topic - Ever since I started using Cakewalk I've stayed with the default template of having a MIDI track and an Audio track in the blank project.  It seems normal to me - We get used to things and can end up not understanding why someone else finds them a nuisance, I'm sure you've noticed that.

With these tracks - it's not as if I always delete them.  I often need to import audio into a project, very often in fact, and there's the Audio track waiting to accommodate that import.  I also will use my hardware synth to test some things out since it's so convenient - I just focus on the MIDI track and I'm ready.  Or I delete the tracks, or hide them etc. -

But yes, there can be an accumulation of things that take extra clicks, and that's a problem since it adds time to our work which wasn't involved before.

RB

tarsier

rbowser: ---um, what? A "scrub tool" is exactly that--You scrub the tool with your cursor/mouse. It kind of loses its point if it continues to play. The idea is you want to hear just one chord--stop--one phrase--stop--The scrub tool is functioning the way it has to/needs to. - duh.

First of all, why so rude? Second of all, why not have a scrub tool that goes beyond your limited definition of a scrub tool? Sure, have it behave like a traditional scrub, but why not expand the capability? Have more useful options?...

Hi, Tarsier - I appreciate knowing that my post you quoted came across as rude - that's not what I was going for.  I was just mirroring amiller's post where he described how he'd like scrub to work, and then added "duh" as if it should be self evident that his request would be an improvement.

I'm sure the scrub could be done differently in some way - All I mean is that my imagination fails to picture how it should be changed in a way that would be useful to me.  I can't come up with any ideas for "more useful options," and am pretty sure I wouldn't care for the sound continuing to ring out when I've stopped moving the cursor.  I like me scrub.  That's all.

Randy B.

rbowser

HumbleNoise

rbowser

HumbleNoise





I've worked around it with a hidden (Track Manager) Audio track and open that template with Cntrl 'N' as my 'Normal' template but I would like a true Blank template with operational Screen Sets. Maybe someday though I don't think many of us use a true blank template - could be wrong.

hehe--I recognize this particular war-dance, Humble - Your desire for a Normal template that has no tracks.  I'm sorry, but I still don't get what the big deal is.  You either use the tracks that come with the template, or you take 3 seconds (tops!--I timed it) to delete them.--  So not a biggie.

RB

True Randy and also true with a lot of other issues. 3 Seconds and you're good to go. To me that's the point of any change in a feature - the 3 seconds.

It's only one additional click to deselect all MIDI notes when editing a MIDI clip, it's only one click to set the snap to be different in PRV than track view. All of them 'no big deal' when looked at in that way. So no need to change any of them?

Hi, HN - I was talking only about the template default having the two tracks.  I wasn't referring to any other issue users are having, and so wasn't making any judgement about how vital any of the other fixes are. 

I do know what the thing is with me and this particular topic - Ever since I started using Cakewalk I've stayed with the default template of having a MIDI track and an Audio track in the blank project.  It seems normal to me - We get used to things and can end up not understanding why someone else finds them a nuisance, I'm sure you've noticed that.

With these tracks - it's not as if I always delete them.  I often need to import audio into a project, very often in fact, and there's the Audio track waiting to accommodate that import.  I also will use my hardware synth to test some things out since it's so convenient - I just focus on the MIDI track and I'm ready.  Or I delete the tracks, or hide them etc. -

But yes, there can be an accumulation of things that take extra clicks, and that's a problem since it adds time to our work which wasn't involved before.

RB

Yeah I get all that Randy but this thread is not about whether each feature request is appropriate or not to a particular user. It's simply about feature requests. I'd like to see a true blank template that preserves Screen Sets.

What would you like to see in X2?

HumbleNoise




...What would you like to see in X2?

Ah, the list would be too long for this thread, Larry.  After over 4 months, I'm still clumsy with X1 and X1 is still clumsy with me.  I find most everything about it awkward and cumbersome.  Benstat and Panup have vastly improved the program - sad commentary that we're having to rely on fellow users to make the program at least semi-usable.

I've stayed with 8.5 for work, valiantly struggle to make X1 work once in awhile when I have time and patience for it.  For me, Cakewalk has pretty much fizzled out.  All I can do is nod in agreement with most of the feature improvements/fixes that users bring up on these threads.

Randy B.

windsurfer25x
No more plugins PLEASE!

Wouldn't mind a Rapture 2 (updated GUI and stuff), Z3ta 2, etc.. 

Um, is this post a self-created paradox? 

stickman393
What exactly is preventing you guys from dropping FX into the FX bin? I think bloating the Pro Channel is exactly the wrong way to go - unless I'm missing something about what you're asking for. 

This.


Once you start adding fx where do you stop? I'd also like to see a reverb, a second EQ, a distortion, and a flanger added to the Pro-Channel...


Compression and EQ make sense since they're what you find in a normal channel strip, and they're dynamics sculpting tools. You would THEN send your happy signal on to delays, verbs, etc. Besides, with a delay there's many blending options to consider that incorporating it in the base channel would seem to undercut them.


I mean hey, maybe it's a good argument for having blank slots in the channel strip that you can assemble your own "rack" of Pro-Channel effects to save and recall at will...tho I suppose fx-chains takes care of that too.

...wicked

stickman393
What exactly is preventing you guys from dropping FX into the FX bin? I think bloating the Pro Channel is exactly the wrong way to go - unless I'm missing something about what you're asking for. 

This.


Once you start adding fx where do you stop? I'd also like to see a reverb, a second EQ, a distortion, and a flanger added to the Pro-Channel...


Compression and EQ make sense since they're what you find in a normal channel strip, and they're dynamics sculpting tools. You would THEN send your happy signal on to delays, verbs, etc. Besides, with a delay there's many blending options to consider that incorporating it in the base channel would seem to undercut them.


I mean hey, maybe it's a good argument for having blank slots in the channel strip that you can assemble your own "rack" of Pro-Channel effects to save and recall at will...tho I suppose fx-chains takes care of that too.

I think having a sort of a FX Swiss Army knife within the Pro Channels strip is a pretty good idea. If Cake did the same great job on a world class reverb, delay (insert FX of your choice here) etc. as they did on the ProChannel compressors and EQ (minor quibbles aside) it might create a great one stop FX chain for each channel and bus as well. I think each interface would need a lot of thought in order to make it really usable but the idea has some possibilities I think.

It wouldn't replace 3rd party FX and you wouldn't have to use anything you didn't want to use but to have everything right there? Pretty interesting.

Yeah but once you start adding efx that you'd normally use in a send/return fashion how much will you use them? The wet/dry on the compressor, for instance, is useless to me because when I parallel compress I add a bunch of other processing to the return chain.

My delays and verbs? I use generous EQ to chop the low end off and sometimes pop the highs a bit. I also like to add some distortion to it to make it cut through the mix. stick that delay on the pro-channel and you can't do any of that. 

Any effects that go post-fader have limited value in being included in a base channel strip. A good example, the delay on the VX-64. I use it when tracking for comfort efx, but when mixing I always use a send to a dedicated verb bus because I can do proper sculpting there.

tyacko: there is a program by Voxengo called Span that you should download. It is free and not crippled in any way. It even has a PDF manual.

subtlearts: hey, my previous message did read a bit brusquely. Sorry about that. But your arguments for making notation better apply equally to audio editing. It seems that some Roland distributors around the world work as distributors for Finale products also. Maybe there is some link between the companies and Sonar could access a simple Notation program from them.

Another request: Microscopic FX bin fonts could be fixed- maybe a magnifying glass option when the mouse is over the fx bin or wherever the mouse is generally.