Sigh...

VST3 Support please

YES... Varispeed! AN ESSENTIAL TOOL IN A RECORDING SYSTEM. If you ACTUALLY RECORD bands, people, instruments... (little things)! All the attention to "file browsing", "plug-ins", "GUI's", "virtual instruments", and on and on... golly, dang... Does it mean ANYTHING anymore that none of these things are involved in PLAYING music?! It totally freaks me out. 

I record "people" for money! Doesn't this freak any of you guys out at all?  It's great to have all these virtual tools, but really, it's the client who wants to record their "PLAYING" that pays the studio time. 
What would really help me in the studio is to have better tools to record my clients playing their music- things like we used to have in the dark ages before everything that doesn't involve "playing" took over... Things like: 

Varispeed- so you can tune the song to an actual real instrument (which is harder to tune than a one-knob vari-speed control). 

And: Go to locate #... and "auto-play" (latched on or off). (Much different than go to thru or from of a selection, it's actually an independent locate in the project that you can call up with a "go to # 2 and auto-play" in an instant.) Go to locate points really speed up navigating around a project if you've ever used 'em. 

Both of these are standard in Reaper, incidentally. And as an old crab (obvious!) I admit it would be lovely if I could make some things easier to see- like the now bar and automation nodes, etc. They are pretty dang teeny! But I admit- there's a lot of great things about Sonar. It's fantastic and Cakewalk is a great company. Dealt with lots of companies and recording platforms over the many years and Cakewalk's Sonar is the best by far. 

I just wish that it would give more attention to the needs of recording musicians- humans who actually "PLAY"! We don't need that much... just beer, pizza, chicks... and a tape machine. Yeah.   

Blogman


3. Metronome to work properly when clicking around the timeline when snap is off.
 5. Metronome to be changed to eighth notes, 16ths, dotted 16ths, etc.
6. Metronome to be bouncable, freezable... (still might want to add pro channel to metronome after freeze though...)
8. Recordable tap tempo for conducting the tempo with the space bar ( like finale, or like I do with my Wii-mote and Glove pie and my own personal tap tempo preset in Bome's midi translator)  Then we need nodes to be lassoable and movable like the midi control data.
 ---Blogman

I'm in the process of updating my old compositions based off the mp3s and I completely agree that the metronome in this program needs some serious work. One minor gripe of mine is that when inserting a different tempo, the time ruler stays constant and the audio clip move to match the new tempo. It always psyches me out, thinking I've stretched my audio inadvertently.


Ultimately I'd love to be able to build my own click tracks quickly and easily. If I have a piece that alternates between 4/4 and 6/8 [8th note constant] every two measures, why can't I go into a metronome view, set up a click track for that pattern one time [complete with meter accurate accents], and then copy/paste that "metronome block" over and over for however long I need it, similar to copy/pasting a drum loop. I'm sure this probably doesn't effect a ton of people, but it would be very helpful to those of us dabbling in pieces that constantly change their accents and time signatures.

evansmalley


YES... Varispeed! ...  All the attention to "file browsing", "plug-ins", "GUI's", "virtual instruments", and on and on... golly, dang... Does it mean ANYTHING anymore that none of these things are involved in PLAYING music?! It totally freaks me out. 

I just wish that it would give more attention to the needs of recording musicians- humans who actually "PLAY"! We don't need that much... just beer, pizza, chicks... and a tape machine. Yeah.   
 

+1
 
Not just to varispeed, but to the rest of your post (for those that didn't read it, I only quoted a few small sections above). It surprises me when some people here say that some of us only use Sonar as a glorified tape machine as if it is a negative. Since when did recording a live musician become taboo?
 
I must say I also love having all the extras in Sonar. I use the plug-ins, the synths the loops etc... However, I have to agree with this post by evansmalley - it would be nice to see some additional features (like vari-speed) for those of us that do record musicians that are actually playing the parts.
 
Edit - Add:
 
VST 3! Although a heated subject, I really don't care if Steinberg is right or wrong. There are VST3 plugins I own that work to their fullest with VST3, and many plugin developers are moving that way so for those reasons I want to see it supported in a future version.

I have Sonar 3 LE from my soundcard and use it sometimes, my other "daw" is Reason, but i want upgrade for daw with VSTi and i like Sonar for workflow and ease of use for me. I dont know how about staffview in other new versions but, in S3 LE is staffview not very useful.

1. Add to staffview time signature

2. key signature

3 .allow change all signatures and clefs change anywhere in score - for example i want in 24bar change bass clef to other clef.

4. allow change note duration in score (if i wont change note duration i must switch in pianoroll and change duration here, or right click mouse button on note and change number)
example for change note duration:
    - select note or more notes
    - click on note duration
    - selected note are change on your note duration selected

  5. add transpote line(/sign?/signature?) if my notes are very high or low.  
      or make automatic distance between staffs if my note are very high and cross with another staff  

    or allow change distance between staffs

i think this is very important because if i have only one instrument (or on my forst instrument in staff view) and my notes are very high, i  see nothing because notes are out of staff and you cannot scroll up in staffview, because there are fixed spaces between staffs.

  6. Allow make special upper(over) and lower(under) staff for each one miditrack. 
For example:
- under and over each staff will be small icon with plus
- if i click on plus, it create another staff, and this staff will be connected with sign/brace? like piano staff (i dont know how it say in english)
- special staff will by editable like normal staff
  - you can create only two special staff - under and over staff for each miditrack  

I also like to see the now time cursor display as in 8.5.3 return back to X2.

evansmalley


...All the attention to "file browsing", "plug-ins", "GUI's", "virtual instruments", and on and on... golly, dang... Does it mean ANYTHING anymore that none of these things are involved in PLAYING music?! It totally freaks me out...

Hiya, evansmalley - I've always thought it would be good to have true Varispeed in Sonar, no argument there. 

But - "...All the attention to "file browsing", "plug-ins", "GUI's", "virtual instruments", and on and on... golly, dang... Does it mean ANYTHING anymore that none of these things are involved in PLAYING music?! It totally freaks me out..."

That's an overly broad an inaccurate statement, and I felt the need to point that out.  You're saying "virtual instruments"  don't have anything to do with playing the music - ?!-- Come on, you know that a lot of people play their virtual instruments - Keyboardists with a huge array of possible sounds/instruments to use beyond the piano is pretty much what MIDI was all about when it began, and it still is for a lot of people.  When using software instruments Or hardware instruments, there are many approaches available, including actually playing the instrument ---And I'm sure you didn't mean that "virtual instruments" aren't actually instruments, since of course they are, -they're software instruments.  It was the implication that no playing is ever involved with their use that inspired me to write.

DMX - "...i think this is very important because if i have only one instrument (or on my forst instrument in staff view) and my notes are very high, i  see nothing because notes are out of staff and you cannot scroll up in staffview, because there are fixed spaces between staffs..."

Good one - And the problem you're talking about exists not only on the staff for the first instrument - There's a fixed space between all staffs, as you also point out, so high notes are always a problem.  If you're working in the Staff View and want to insert high notes in a staff somewhere in the middle of your project- you literally can't- they'll automatically go to the instrument's staff above the one you're working in.

No arguments about how primitive the Staff View is, rendered even more primitive with the absurd streamlining of everything in X1 all for the sake of having a simplified GUI - (classic error of valuing form over function).  --Personally, I hardly ever actually use the Staff View - I sometimes take a look to see what's going on with my notes, but I adapted to using the PRV years ago.  That's the heart of MIDI production in Sonar, since you have access to all controllers, --and problems like this high note problem you're talking about doesn't exist in the PRV. 

I understand how alien the PRV can look at first to someone used to working with notation - that describes me when I first started using Sonar.  But it's an extremely worthwhile adjustment to make because you can do much more with your music if you focus on the PRV instead of the Staff View.

Randy B.

smoother audio engine, meaning:
- being able to move loop point during playback without any audio glitches
- being able to insert, remove VST synths during playback, without audio glitches (or app crash)

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...wicked

windsurfer25x
No more plugins PLEASE!

Wouldn't mind a Rapture 2 (updated GUI and stuff), Z3ta 2, etc.. 

Um, is this post a self-created paradox? 

Not exactly haha, at least that wasn't intended! I wouldn't mind them working on and improving stuff we already have basically. 

definitely right you are, rbowser! Actually, I was JUST farting around with the fantastic Rhodes in DimPro... wow! Saves me about $800 on Craig's List! (still not the same as the real thing, though) 

I was just spoutin' off at the mouthboard ill-advisedly. again. dang... AGAIN. THAT freaks me out too! 

And I do like every tool and every way to cheat ever made. Love 'em! I'm just sayin' that my bread and butter in the studio is recording people live, not just having clients being able to watch me tweak out with the puter. There were lots of things that were unnecessarily lost in the Sonar DAW way of doing things- like having locates and vari-speed. I also really miss "Record-in-Reverse" (for getting pre-verb) We used to just flip a tape reel and it was awesome! Not the same as reversing a sample.  

Please don't think I'm against any tool or toy! Just poorly stated. 

Punch me right there again... last time! ONCE(!) more... Shuuure...