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2012/10/17 14:36:07
brconflict
 I'm really and genuinely curious to see what, if any issues people have had with X1, and whether those issues or idiosyncrasies have actually been fixed in X2. For example, Cakewalk still bundles the "OK" V-Vocal, which has been known to produce chipmunks at times. There have also been issues with bit-bridging being too CPU intensive, or Exporting "Entire Mix" produces only a single clip? I ran into bugs/issues that I felt surely Cakewalk QC would have found and knocked out, reported some of them, but don't know if X2 really would fix such things. Any feedback on issues from X2 that would make me want to wait for the upgrade? I think Cakewalk users deserve good, creative feedback, without all the hype I've seen in the E-mail campaigns. Thanks! p.s. The Preview Post button on the forum site doesn't seem to work in FireFox.
2012/10/17 14:41:07
FastBikerBoy
I would think the chipmonk effect is more with how you use V-Vocal than anything wrong with it. Granted it may not be the best vocal correction software in existence but perfectly usable nonetheless.

Bit bridge I rarely use, I have Jbridge so can't comment.

Export entire mix 'problem'. I think a stereo wave is exactly what I'd expect from that. There are other options you can set for all tracks/busses/stems/split mono etc.

Firefox doesn't play well with the forum software. I use IE tab in Firefox and Chrome works well as well if that helps.
2012/10/17 17:43:49
Swiller

In short, no it isn't..
For me I have completely different issues in x2 than in x1 but the x2 issues grind to a halt what I do rather than irritants in x1d I have got used to..
I loved it last week once i finaly stabilised it, but....Stuff I am seeing now ...

Playback just stops randomly on some projects.
Uninstall of 8.53 means no load of x2 projects. Not tried uninstalling x1. 
Multiple instances of breverb, say 4-5 on different tracks means that some work and some do not. Reboot and all seems to work again, until you add another one.
V vocal editor white screen often on longer clips (over 30 seconds). This makes it useless for me.
Recording audio started looping with no loop point set randomly half way through the track.
For me probably twice daily crashes completely random. I have kind of parked x2  for now. It is best described as final round of beta software for me.

I would recommend an upgrade if you want to learn the elements of it to play around with while using your current main daw. I think it needs a serious system to run it and is still in its infancy really. No doubt that the editing is now way better that previous versions and some of the bundled software is great. Think a New BMW that only drives for 20 miles at a time kinda sums it up for me. I have turned virtually everything off on my pc since x2 to try and acheive some stability, but x1d I could run all sorts of stuff such as web, anti virus , Ethernet , wifi , porno, games etc etc etc.

I am neither happy nor sad really having spent the last few weeks with x2. I loved it for a few days and the more I explore it, the more random halts I get. That is an honest appraisal of a true life experience with x2 for the last 2-3 weeks on a system that is way above spec and runs reaper, maschine, soft synths and x1d exp fine.

I just don't buy into the whole, it must be your system, all new software has bugs nonsense that software companies palm people off with these days. You should not really buy anything until you are completely satisfied with it and remember your money back rights if the product doesn't do what it says it will do, providing you have the recommended spec or above.

X2 is great when it is stable and for me, at the moment, it isn't really.
2012/10/17 18:36:25
Norrie
@ Swiller.... I wana hear the type of music you are making with porno running along side X1d
2012/10/17 18:48:50
Brando
Norrie


@ Swiller.... I wana hear the type of music you are making with porno running along side X1d

Wah-chicka- wawwww-wawwwwwwwwww!
2012/10/17 18:53:24
Rob.Art
Norrie +1 Ha Ha
2012/10/17 18:55:23
Norrie
I feel some Marvin Lyrics coming on
2012/10/17 19:16:02
Bub
brconflict

I'm really and genuinely curious to see what, if any issues people have had with X1, and whether those issues or idiosyncrasies have actually been fixed in X2.
Well, I'm the perfect person to ask this question to. Did I say that right? Doh! :)

Anyhoo ...

X1 sucked Moose on my system. It brought it too it's knee's, made it cry, and **** slapped it. The Pro Channel randomly turned on and off on it's own, clips would go out of sync with the project, random crashes, and that's not even getting in to the things that flat out did not work when they originally released X1 such as, Snap To Grid, Audio Snap, and others that I'm forgetting. Honestly, how could you release DAW 2.0 with those two things flat out not working?

So, anyway ... same computer, same audio card, same Windows 7, only difference is I'm running X2. No problems at all after they released the Quick Fix. Pro Channel doesn't do the on/off magic trick anymore, which was the biggest problem I ran in to. It made X1 unusable to be honest, so I got in to the habit of never using it, even after I bought some modules for it. So far X2 is working great on the same computer that X1 crunched up.

On the flip side of that ... some of the very same people that said my system was the problem when running X1, are now experiencing the same problems I had, only with X2. Vengeance is mine!!

To all of you I say, throw out that piece of crap you are using and go spend a couple of grand on a new computer ... sound familiar?
For example, Cakewalk still bundles the "OK" V-Vocal, which has been known to produce chipmunks at times.
V-vocal never did work right from day one. It's Uber-picky about what clips it will or will not work on. It's one of those 'use at own risk' programs. When it works ... it is as good, if not better than anything else out there.
There have also been issues with bit-bridging being too CPU intensive
Bitbridge sucks. There's no other way to put it. 99.9% of the crashes I've ever had were related to Bitbridge, so I stopped using it. And when I do have to use it, I freeze the track as soon as humanly possible. J-bridge isn't much better, and if it is, they should replace Bitbridge with it ... or at least update Bitbridge. I would rather have seen that than the LP-64 EQ worked on.
...., or Exporting "Entire Mix" produces only a single clip?
This happened to me for the first time when I got X2. But ..... I was using a different sound card. I was using the embedded Realtek sound card on my motherboard. I had a lot of problems exporting with it, but not a single one with my M-Audio Fast Track Ultra. On the Realtek I would see weird things such as, there would be a message up in the console that said 'Rendering'. It would go through 3 or 4 cycles of that, then it would act like it was exporting the project finally, and poof ... I would get 634k .wav file after 7 minutes.

So, judging by my experience with exporting 'Entire Mix', I have to say the problems I had were 100% related to the sound card. Just something to keep in mind.
I ran into bugs/issues that I felt surely Cakewalk QC would have found and knocked out, reported some of them, but don't know if X2 really would fix such things. Any feedback on issues from X2 that would make me want to wait for the upgrade? I think Cakewalk users deserve good, creative feedback, without all the hype I've seen in the E-mail campaigns.
It's never going to work 100%. None of them do. But I do have to say that so far X2 is working great on my system, but there are way more posts than mine that prove otherwise. Not trying to be wishy washy, but it is really weird how my system flat out could not run X1, but does X2, and the people who were running X1 can't seem to run X2 now. Very odd indeed.
... The Preview Post button on the forum site doesn't seem to work in FireFox.
FireFox will work perfectly with the forums, but you have to use an older version. Version 3.6 (and all the point releases of it) work perfectly. I have it installed just for this forum, and use the latest version for everything else. There are some others that seem to work, but you can't zoom in, if you do, all your text formatting options disappear. So if you have trouble seeing the small print it may be a problem if you like to zoom when using Chrome. Some say they have gotten IE9 to work, but I can't. FF3.6 is the only thing I've been able to find that works 100% with this forum.

Hope I helped and didn't make the decision harder for you.

BTW ... I'm running an Intel i5 Quad Core with 4/GB RAM on a Gigabyte Mobo with a Fast Track Ultra USB sound card.
2012/10/17 19:21:02
meh
I found X1 to work well on my system.  Had the normal amount of sw bugs that most of todays sw has.  They were correctly relatively quickly and without much interuption.
 
X2 went well as an upgrade.  I have not had any issues so far.  The performance is better than X1
 
2012/10/17 19:44:40
ggg
Such negativity with such low post counts...

Seems like a pattern.

ggg 
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