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  • Is X2 Really more stable and bug-free than X1? (p.5)
2012/10/31 10:23:36
SilverfoxUK
Not for me, no. 

I upgraded from X1 to X2. The upgrade process was really smooth and everything seemed to work fine. 

 I started a new test project in X2 and became less and less confident.

 I've had quite a few crashes. Simple things such as dragging in 3 mp3 files (and no, no pictures attached to the mp3 files - before some of the savvy of you raise that :) and X2 crashed. Tried dragging them in again and it worked for a bit, then I clicked the master buss track. Crash. This is with a project with no plugs. 

 I've found the new take lanes to be buggy, muted tracks suddenly start playing, and again, when I was clicking on the mute buttons for some takes in the lanes. Crash. It's all feeling a bit BETA at the mo. And is sad too as X1 was pretty rock solid for me and my system in general is solid. 

I haven't tried the patch yet, but as it address none of these issues, I'm not sure it is worth it?

Is anyone else experiencing these kind of random crashes? 
2012/10/31 10:44:12
Bristol_Jonesey
You have nothing to lose by installing the patch - many people have reported that problems not addressed by the patch were in fact fixed.

You can always roll back if it goes belly-up
2012/10/31 10:47:43
Muziekschuur at home
SilverfoxUK. Could you run a memory test and a disk test? Your failiures seem hardware related.... I have had various pc's over the years. And your issues resemble hardware faliure. X2 works really nice here...

It could allso be a malfunctioning plugin...
2012/10/31 11:23:49
SilverfoxUK
@ Bristol - Yea, guess I haven't got anything to lose. will try tonight. 

@ Muziekschuur - My system is pretty new and was working flawlessly with X1 so I have my doubts about your theory. Wouldn't hurt to run the tests though :) 
2012/10/31 12:22:05
LpMike75
My experience:

They eventually got X1 right.

X2 is not there yet, some problems I've noted

Berverb will sometimes stop working

Tracks going out of sync when plugs are added.  Never seen this in any version of Sonar before, it's like the PDC is applying incorrect latency values to some plugs: Ozone, T-racks and large effects chains.

Larger projects are prone to crashes.

VVocal still crashes.

Once they get it stable I think it will be awesome, but for now, your better off using X1 if you have a fast deadline.
As far as the new console emulator ... I use it because it looks cool, not because I can actually hear it do anything :)

2012/10/31 14:17:46
Splat
Agreed, I had quite a few crashes with X2 today mainly to do with the UI. X2 is NOT as stable as X1. Still it is workable for people doing their own thing. X2 really needs a service pack or two before it becomes as stable as X1. The rule as always is never use brand new software straight away in a production environment, wait 6 to 12 months from release date or experience agro.
2012/10/31 21:32:20
brconflict
So, I installed X2 (very annoying to have a really loud piece of music play during the Autorun). I KNEW it wouldn't take me more than a couple of minutes to find a bug or annoyance. So, importing an X1 session into X2 with Build 803 (The QuickFix), some of the Pro-Channel Global "On" switches are lit for several tracks, but not others. Very random. One track has a label for its ProChannel, but the rest are "Untitled". Also, the Track views are VERY random when you first see them, meaning you will need to re-orient yourself in the session and "reset" your "console". Anyway, I JUST installed it, so I will give it about a week before I add anything to this. Otherwise, "eh".
2012/10/31 22:36:40
brconflict
Within another 10 minutes after X2 install, I found another bug with build 803 of X2. I'm looking at a few tracks in a session where, when I expanded the tracks to show all lanes, I'm seeing 10+ lanes suddenly appear with no cause, and no audio, but they're all titled, "T0", and precede the actual "takes". They're all Solo'd as well, so any remaining Lanes not Muted or intentionally solo'd will no longer be heard.
2012/10/31 22:40:41
gswitz
brconflict...

The t0 lanes are a known issue. They don't really cause any problem. We're all just deleting them. I'm sure it will be soon resolved.

In general, I have been very happy with x2. For me, I struggled until I reduced the files to 24 bit (down from 32).

I'm happy. And I'm on Windows 8 and happy. Win 8 better than Win 7. X2 better than X1.
2012/11/01 21:39:39
brconflict
Yeah, In reality, when I compare Sonar X1/X2 to some "business" networking applications, such as IP network analytical software applications that do far less, I assure that X2 is still a grand bargain. Most of the DAW's really are! I can't imagine shelling out $30K or more for a desk to even dream of accomplishing the same results. Part of my background is in Design Verification Testing. It's what I was trained to do in a past life. As an example, I did manage to cause X2 to crash reliably between Archive and Freezing tracks. Just click an Archive button and then Freeze (snowflake). See if it happens for you. The hard thing for me to digest is that, to keep the cost this low, but to really pack X2 out with some major features and such, lends itself to bugs. It's part of reality. RFC 1925 (7a) "Good, Fast, Cheap: Pick any two (you can't have all three)". It is the way of things, but we can strive for all three. I just prefer that Cakewalk would slow down and invest a little more time and money in bug-searching and not worry too much about new features yet; at least that's what I hoped they did for X2. Like Apple did with Snow Leopard. Not a major overhaul but a major effort to stabilize, bug-fix, and speed up. To Cakewalk, I'm not ranting, just stating an opinion.
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