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  • Mixing/monitoring headphones (p.4)
2012/12/15 15:18:28
Jonbouy
Anderton


One of the great things about mixing on headphones is that for a given amount of dollars, headphones are a better value than speakers. Just as it's common to mix over several sets of speakers to take an average, you can do that with headphones and it's more affordable.

I used to mix on speakers and then do a reality check on headphones before signing off. These days I do the reverse, as so many people listen to music on earbuds.
If you'd had said that on this forum a few years ago you'd have had bounty hunters hired to seek you out, and cure you of your blasphemy.
 
For many of us and the realities of what we have to work in and around though it really is the most practical solution.  I know if I started hanging clouds on the ceiling my partner would likely be nailing other stuff of mine up there with them...
 
Putting some stuff up out there for review, such as posting here in our songs forum, is normally a good way of getting some other critical ears in different listening environments on your case as well.
 
It all helps.
2012/12/15 15:20:47
bapu
arachnaut


I've had these Stax Lambda Pros for about 30 years. I wouldn't trade them for anything.






Wow!!!

New SR-507s on eBay for ~$1150.
2012/12/15 15:43:14
bitflipper
http://reviews.cnet.com/headphones/beats-pro-high-performance/4852-7877_7-34210289.html

The first 5 reviews listed:

"Extremely overpriced, overglorified and overhyped"
"Truly disappointed"
"Way overpriced"
"meh, you really can do better"
"above average considering its cost"

No guarantee that these reviewers meet Jonbouy's standards, either, of course. They could all be making stuff up.


2012/12/15 17:01:55
Jim Roseberry
I have K240s (x2) and one K270 headphones. The K270s no longer output the right side. Gonna get that set repaired one day soon.



The K240s feel like an old pair of jeans.
Comfortable... 
I can wear them for hours.


2012/12/15 17:10:25
wizard71
I think it's useful to listen on all types of headphones to check a mix but the only time I use mine in a mix is to check for unwanted artifacts that I can't always hear when monitoring on speakers. But would say that if you want/need to mix with cans then you need some with a flat response I would imagine. The colourful monstrosities that are beats headphones, aren't the ones you are looking for. ( that last sentence made me feel like a Jedi)

Bibs
2012/12/15 17:24:43
bluzdog
I'm diggin' my Beyerdynamic Dt770 pros. I picked up a Focusrite VRM box awhile back. I'm pretty happy with the combo. I have an old pair of ATH-M40's but I think I'll pick up a pair of M50's.

Rocky
2012/12/15 17:27:00
robert_e_bone
Jonbouy


robert_e_bone


They are made cheaply, and the bass is artificially hyped.

Bob Bone


See what I mean...

Hey - I made my comment based on personal experience.  I bought them for my son, and he had to get them repaired twice in the first 6 months.  They ARE cheaply made.  Save your condescending attitude for someone else - I stand by my comment.


Bob Bone
2012/12/15 17:40:03
backwoods
bluzdog


I'm diggin' my Beyerdynamic Dt770 pros. I picked up a Focusrite VRM box awhile back. I'm pretty happy with the combo. I have an old pair of ATH-M40's but I think I'll pick up a pair of M50's.

Rocky



I have the 770's also and think they are terrific. Wouldn't mind trying the 880's now :)

2012/12/15 17:57:08
arachnaut
bapu


arachnaut


I've had these Stax Lambda Pros for about 30 years. I wouldn't trade them for anything.






Wow!!!

New SR-507s on eBay for ~$1150.

It is interesting to compare the generations.


When I bought these, (for something like $850), a Lexicon PCM70 was over $1000; the ESQ-1 was in that ball-park.


I had a Tascam 8 track, Manley pre-amps and amps, Vandersteen speakers - I must have spent over $30K on my home studio - and this was just a hobby.


Nowadays these things are available for a fraction of that price - but still - how much does a Neumann mic cost?


Some things are just to great for words.




2012/12/15 18:36:21
Jonbouy
bitflipper


http://reviews.cnet.com/headphones/beats-pro-high-performance/4852-7877_7-34210289.html

The first 5 reviews listed:

"Extremely overpriced, overglorified and overhyped"
"Truly disappointed"
"Way overpriced"
"meh, you really can do better"
"above average considering its cost"

No guarantee that these reviewers meet Jonbouy's standards, either, of course. They could all be making stuff up.
 
Oooh a sweaty, Mr Bitflippant!!!...
 
If you actually read what my standards were they had to do with not taking my advice on particular products, nor anyone elses but to research what you are after (flat response, normally for mixing), try several before buying, and then learn the ones you chose well once you get them home.
 
I reckon that about sums it up.  Your own typically inverted snob's approach at the outset of the thread took pride in the fact you knew all about the Beats gear without needing to consider anything else.  You already knew what they were like without a trial remember.
 
Glad to see you at least bothered to do a bit of research since.  Keep at it and you might learn a little something beyond your own opinion, perish the thought that there might be something out there other than that... 
  
I've been using 'studio staples' since I was 17 for both tracking and monitoring, long enough to know there isn't such a thing.  Sometimes studios have staples that they can bear to keep replacing when people keep sitting on them...
 
All I know is that pretty much every engineer I've ever worked with (and I'm talking about the times when labels would actually pay people to make recordings) has sworn by his own particular and sometimes peculiar seeming choice.  Now everyone's an expert, and two or three choices fit every head...lol.
 
I'm convinced yours would be far too wide to fit my 'ickle pin-head for starters.

 
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