I use them here and there. There are some really good headphones out there these days. Electronic Musician had an article about this. I think it was last month.

The ratio of mud slinging to useful information is still pretty good here. Is there something in the rules about minimum mud slinging that I missed? There seems to be a good deal of it in almost every thread here.

Rocky

bluzdog


The ratio of mud slinging to useful information is still pretty good here. Is there something in the rules about minimum mud slinging that I missed? There seems to be a good deal of it in almost every thread here.

Rocky

Full of useful information this one...

Sony MDR 7509 !....http://www.amazon.com/Son...eadphone/dp/B000HHYZV6

??? I don't follow on this mud slinging thing. Every engineer has their own style of doing things. Some like headphones, some don't. There is no right or wrong, but there is an end result. How you get there is your art. Do what you feel comfortable with. However, it is nice to find out what everyone else is doing. It gives you the opportunity to try different stuff or hear some else's horror stories. Isn't that the theme of this forum? In my case I have the usual Yamaha reference monitors, Some JBL mains and some B&O mains and some event 20/20s. all powered by crown amps. I usually switch between them (the speakers) for different perspectives. This is what I like. I would imagine one would have to do the same thing for headphones too. I have a pile of Sony MDR-V600s. These were pretty cheap, and I don't remember what I paid for them. Maybe $150. I use these mostly for the customers while they are laying down their tracks. The problem with these is they leak in quiet situations, like during vocal recording, where the band is in the headphones and the singer is in a booth. My Neumans and Octava's pick up the speakers in them so I have to be careful. Sm57s/58s or Sennheisers, no problem. I would not use these for mixdown unless I was just looking for levels. They add some color. Dave

I'll take a look at the 7509s too.

Here is a link to a PC Mag review of these:

http://www.pcmag.com/arti.e2/0,2817,2408799,00.asp

Bob Bone

I have a pair of ATH-M50's. When ordering you have to be aware that they come in straight and coiled cabled versions, so you have to think about which version is going to suit your recording/mixing setup. I chose the coiled ones because I never need to put any distance between me and my DAW. 

They are excellent cans for mixing. The bass response is excellent and they expose lower frequency mud very quickly. That said, for tracking and general purpose listening, I prefer the sound of my Grado SR80i's. They have such a clear, open sound. Music is a pleasure to listen to on them. However, if I try to mix with them I always end up exaggerating the lows. Which is why I switch to the ATH-M50's for that. I don't think you can get better mixing cans for the money. 

I'm one of those people who does all of their mixing on cans, with some occasional checking on a pair of crappy Bose computer speakers. My building is not well insulated sound wise and I'd be evicted pretty damn quickly if I set up a pair of monitors and started auditioning synth presets on them. Besides, I am not able to acoustically treat my space and so if I spend a bunch of money on some expensive monitors they'd just be wasted. 

I also use a VRM Box for mixing - I don't think the speaker simulations are particularly realistic (you're not going to forget you have cans on) but they are very useful for running your mix through a bunch of different perspectives to check for problems. I think people buy the VRM Box thinking it's going to be something it's not, and then they're disappointed. It's not meant as a substitute for real monitors, it's just there to give you some alternative frequency curves in order to get your mix sounding acceptable on as many speakers as possible. I just wish they had a car simulation. 

robert_e_bone

Jonbouy

robert_e_bone


They are made cheaply, and the bass is artificially hyped.

Bob Bone

See what I mean...

Hey - I made my comment based on personal experience.  I bought them for my son, and he had to get them repaired twice in the first 6 months.  They ARE cheaply made.  Save your condescending attitude for someone else - I stand by my comment.


Bob Bone

 
You bought your son the whole range?
 
There's quite a few in a wide selection.  Most people here are at least being specific about particular models.
 
I wouldn't dismiss a whole range of any brand being cheaply made and biased in the lows based on experience of one model.
 
btw you have no inkling of my 'attitude' on anything you are merely drawing your own inferences based on the words presented.

Jonbouy

robert_e_bone

Jonbouy

robert_e_bone


They are made cheaply, and the bass is artificially hyped.

Bob Bone

See what I mean...

Hey - I made my comment based on personal experience.  I bought them for my son, and he had to get them repaired twice in the first 6 months.  They ARE cheaply made.  Save your condescending attitude for someone else - I stand by my comment.


Bob Bone

 
You bought your son the whole range?
 
There's quite a few in a wide selection.  Most people here are at least being specific about particular models.
 
I wouldn't dismiss a whole range of any brand being cheaply made and biased in the lows based on experience of one model.
 
btw you have no inkling of my 'attitude' on anything you are merely drawing your own inferences based on the words presented.

This is a stupid dialog - I was just trying to provide my opinion - that's all - and that's all it should have been taken for.  All you have done is snipe at folks in here.  Obviously it was for the one model I bought.  Duh.  And yes, my opinion is that you have been condescending in this thread.  So, I gave my 2 cents - if that helps someone, cool - if not, cool too - everyone can make up their own mind.


So, f**k o*f, a**h**e.


Bob Bone