When it comes to stability, I can't fault Cakewalk on the X2 release. I haven't had a single crash yet (I hope that doesn't turn into me jinxing myself). Regarding the bugs: I haven't hit upon a real show-stopper, but from what I've seen, clearly the Take Lanes area needs some attention, and there's some randomness in the PRV zooming that should get addressed. I've reported a bunch of bugs to them too, many of which they've acknowledged, but me, the Take Lanes and PRV zooming should get the focus.

I'm hoping they're taking their time to get this stuff right, as I agree that the comping via Take Lanes seems half baked in it's current incarnation. Fixing that is probably a large effort.

That and the weird things going on with the meters in track view.

Ok, none of these are showstoppers but these are all new, so finding what's triggering them could take quite while to sort out.

Lastly, the whole giant font thing, I will stop using it so much in the future.

That would be cool. It just seems like you are screaming at us all the time. It's a little off putting. Anyway... I do agree things need to be fixed in a timely manner but compared to even the big software companies out there I think Cakewalk does a pretty decent job catering to their customers especially considering they are a pretty small operation. Hopefully they come out with a patch soon. I appreciate your tenacity in looking for stuff many of us might overlook. I just think your delivery needs a bit of work. We're all in this together. I apologize for calling you out and hope I didn't offend you too much. I just think there are more productive ways to go about these things.

Cheers and take care. 

Beepster

Lastly, the whole giant font thing, I will stop using it so much in the future.

That would be cool. It just seems like you are screaming at us all the time. It's a little off putting. Anyway... I do agree things need to be fixed in a timely manner but compared to even the big software companies out there I think Cakewalk does a pretty decent job catering to their customers especially considering they are a pretty small operation. Hopefully they come out with a patch soon. I appreciate your tenacity in looking for stuff many of us might overlook. I just think your delivery needs a bit of work. We're all in this together. I apologize for calling you out and hope I didn't offend you too much. I just think there are more productive ways to go about these things.

Cheers and take care. 

Cheers and have a great week my friend!

Thanks, man. You too. ;-)

Bub

jb101

FastBikerBoy

I have definitely woken up in an alternate universe this morning. Why on earth would a customer be loyal?

I couldn't agree more.  It baffles me why certain people come on here year after year complaining about Sonar.

Really? The two of you have never heard the term customer loyalty?

That isn't what I said, I asked why would a customer be 'loyal'. To me loyalty means never looking elsewhere and taking whatever is served up without question. I've been using CW products since I first bought Guitar Tracks pro then upgraded when Sonar 2 came out, not because I consider myself loyal, although others might I guess. I use them because they work for me.

The thing with Cakewalk is, we are never told something is buggy. We see all these cutsie video's by these guys that show how awesome the next version of Sonar is, and how well it works, and how great your work flow will be now. Then you get Sonar, for example X1, and some of the very things they showed in their video's were broken. Flat out not working. But yet, we keep being led to believe that Sonar is being shipped as advertised and works great.

I know some people had huge issues with X1 but I wasn't one of them. Work flow has a big impact on if bugs are found or not. Take the 'infamous' snap bug in X1. If you worked in a certain way you would never see that bug at all, as unlikely as that may seem to those that did. If you don't believe me re-install the original X1 pre all patches and I'll give you the workflow steps that if you always worked that way would (and did) completely hide it.

FWIW X2 has actually crashed on me far more than X1 ever did, mainly because of a bug while browsing loops, so for me X2 is a worse release than X1 but I appreciate that for a large proportion of users the opposite is true. Just isn't for me.

I still maintain anyone that has been using the software and complaining almost constantly about it for the last 4 or 5 versions and still carries on buying it must be crazy or has a completely different outlook on life to me.

Oh yeah... I forgot about a consistent crashing issue I've had with X2. When I bought my M-Audio keyboard controller and started browsing Dim Pro patches it crashed without fail every dozen or so sounds I loaded. Some folks mentioned that it's a Dim Pro issue but that would be something I hope gets fixed. It would make some terrible noises before crashing too like super loud crackling to the point I'm concerned about my monitors when it happens. That particular crash scenario required a restart of Sonar. I hope it is limited to browsing and won't pull that stuff when I trying to record. That would be an example of where I'd get a little upset.

and if Sonar ever became unusable my low cost escape plan is Reaper. If I happened to have some cash laying around I'd probably switch to Cubase.

  Karl I had the same experience with X1 as you did. People are still questioning me about it. As if I was not telling the truth.  I don't know why some had such a bad time with X1 when it first came out but still will maintain much of it was due to the change in the GUI and how things got done. Some of that got mixed up with bugs to them and no matter how much we say it was a good release they will never see it.  

I can say this on Vista X1 was solid from day one. X2, not so much. On Windows 8 X2 seems as solid as X1 to me.

"I still maintain anyone that has been using the software and complaining almost constantly about it for the last 4 or 5 versions and still carries on buying it must be crazy or has a completely different outlook on life to me. "


The real crazy guys are the ones who never bought or used X1 and still complain about it, years later, on a daily basis. 


X1 for me was a more solid first release than X2. Once the first X2 patch came out it has been about equal to X1d with regards to stability (for me). 

A little bit into the X1 cycle I was struck by the "when control bar showing, incredibly slow bounce to track bug". What I did was hide the Control Bar when I wanted to bounce. No big deal but a lot of guys on this forum couldn't have handled it. Remember that "double click beside the pro channel presets" to crash Sonar bug? That didn't bother me either- I just didn't double click the PC header bar.

It amazes me that some of the people on this forum get anything done at all in their lives and then I think well maybe they don't.