• SONAR
  • Staff view enhancements
2017/11/14 17:17:58
jkoseattle
Haven't used Staff View much over the years, trying to now though.
 
Staff view doesn't seem to understand triplets. My piece is mostly in 6/8, rendering Staff view very difficult to use.
 
EastWest uses keyswitches to change instrument articulations, which are notes played at the bottom end of the keyboard. Staff view renders these faithfully, with huge columns of ledger lines. I wish I could filter the range of an instrument so that those low midi events don't clutter up the screen.
 
Any remedies for any of this?
2017/11/14 17:41:50
michael diemer
Staff view is meant as an editor, not notation. For true notation, you need to export to a real notation program. Musescore is free. Notion is very affordable, and there are many more at various price levels.
 
Staff view has been a bone of contention for years. The general consensus is that it's not going to improve. In fact, some say it's going backwards.
2017/11/14 22:34:46
jkoseattle
I have used both Finale and Sibelius before, but this is more for seeing things in real time while working in SONAR, since PRV is proving too limiting and frustrating.
 
What there needs to be is a new view entirely, that uses the piano roll interface like the current PRV, but is laid out like a traditional score, where every track is its own row. I realize one can sort of do this with Track View, but working with traditional clips in Track View has its advantages too, so we really need both.
2017/11/15 00:05:07
BenMMusTech
Hi, look to me Sonar is a shell program, well depending on your skill set and what you use in your DAW almost all are. And by shell program, I mean the DAW is used for editing and mixing - I stick with Sonar mind you because it is a Windows specialist, and because it's 64bit mix engine with up-sampling is still by far the best in business IMO.
 
These days, because of my skill set...I use Notion 6 by Presonus for most of my sequencing, I then import either audio files or midi files into Sonar for mixing. Midi sequencing - whether you're using Sonar, Logic or some other program - using the old block system is a pretty poor cousin to music notation, and particularly when you can write in dynamic changes and the like so much easier in a program like Notion. 
 
So if you want to use notation to sequence, then I would use a separate program such as Notion.
 
I think it's time Cakewalk put this bugbear to bed and just drop the 'notation' screen in Sonar. It does not work, and it is useless. Sorry Cake. But someone had to say it. 
 
Ben 
2017/11/15 01:09:39
trtzbass
BenMMusTech
 
I think it's time Cakewalk put this bugbear to bed and just drop the 'notation' screen in Sonar. It does not work, and it is useless. Sorry Cake. But someone had to say it. 
 



I am a fan of writing music the old fashioned way and have always hoped CW would update the notation editor.
Having said that I agree 100% with what you wrote.
The score editor as it is now is nearly unusable and it's the testament to a potentially awesome feature that has been left there to rot.
Sorry to be saying that but after all the years of users asking for a bit of attention in that department and a response that's basically "Oh you are asking for us to update the notation page? Sure, here's a skin editor for you", I have lost all faith that anyone will ever do anything about it.
It's understandable that the new generations don't care for a functional score editor, but still...
2017/11/15 02:41:38
abacab
I haven't used any premium standalone notation editors, but the free open source community MuseScore appears to be quite capable as an editor.  At least it is better than Cakewalk.
 
https://musescore.org/en
2017/11/15 04:30:17
Kamikaze
It's still useful to  me, so I would hate to see it ditched. I have given up hpe that cakewalk will ever d anything, and simply believe, no one understands it enough to delve in, which they don't want t admit. Simple things like returning the note length bar should be simple enough to do. Panup can do it.
 
Last weekend I was becoming familiar with the bass tab view. Having the staff above it was great. Now that we can convert audio to midi, it took little effort to import a bass guitar track, convert it to midi, and view it in tab form. Th staff view helped when making edits, and keeping track of the notes.
 
I'm glad I have lifetime membership, because paying for upgrades, when Cakewalk have failed to upgrade something for over a decade that they happily advertise as a great function, would leave a sour taste with every payment. 
2017/11/15 21:05:32
Joe_A
With all the options, anyone want to share more on Notation Composer? Or others, now I'm interested.
2017/11/15 21:24:32
vintagevibe
jkoseattle
Haven't used Staff View much over the years, trying to now though.
 
Staff view doesn't seem to understand triplets. My piece is mostly in 6/8, rendering Staff view very difficult to use.
 
EastWest uses keyswitches to change instrument articulations, which are notes played at the bottom end of the keyboard. Staff view renders these faithfully, with huge columns of ledger lines. I wish I could filter the range of an instrument so that those low midi events don't clutter up the screen.
 
Any remedies for any of this?




Two points:
 
1) This post might make you the target of extreme disrespect, insults and general rudeness for suggesting such an outrageous thing as to have useable notation in a DAW.
2) Cakewalk will never ever make the staff view in Sonar useable or into a professional tool like Cubase, Protools, Performer, Reaper or Logic have.

 
Just some info for you to ponder.
2017/11/15 21:31:52
abacab
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