John


If its video I use Vegas and no, no trouble with any editing function in Vegas. 

Sonar is not a video editor and would not be able to do any changes to the video.

The regular codecs in Windows are for the most part very limited. They are really for windows type videos and such so that one can use media player. They are not meant for handling all video formats. Vegas for example uses its own codecs. Sonar relies on what is installed in windows.

To work with video not only should one install the addon codecs but a good simple conversion program is required for anyone to have a well rounded video studio. 

Sonar likes an AVI file best but that is often not the format one is working with.

The other thing I find odd is that why the need for you to "edit the video". That should be done by the people that produced it. They should be able to incorporate your audio into their video.  They should sync it and place it where it belongs. This shouldn't be your job.

If you are doing your own video and audio than you have complete control. However you do need the right tools to get the job done. 

As outlined above the programs mentioned above will get the job done. 

Maybe I did not express myself corectly - I am NOT trying to do video editing in Sonar :)
 
What I would like to do is just throw the mov file in Sonar, do what I have to do, then export out the same exact video with my work as the soundtrack. That's IT :) Nothing else...
 
Presently I use Premiere Pro - but I still have problems with my AVI especially when moving the starting time. I might give Vegas a look but I hate the ide of installing yet another app on my computer.
 
I was actually even contemplating of somehow using another computer (or app on the same computer) connected to Sonar but running outside of it and only doing the video playback in synch with the SMPTE inside Sonar.
 
Sort of like when you have audiocable to run audio between two independent apps. This would be between Sonar and a playback app like quicktime for example.
 
So far I have found no such solution.

I'm guessing they probably just don't have anyone at CW who's really adept at working on the video side of things (probably similar to the staff view situation). It really hasn't been touched in years. I think Bob Damiano was the person who handled it in the early days, and he's been gone for a while now. And it never really went beyond handling video with the stock Windows multimedia functions, so it's pretty limited. You would think it would have gotten more attention as online video became more popular, but I guess that's just the way things are.

As a person that uses Vegas and Premiere and Sonar, I offer that IMHO Vegas offers the best simple "one-stop" for video and audio editing in one application.  Unfortunately, I find myself using Premiere more and more as my primary video editor, mostly because of integration with other Adobe tools like After Effects makes my workflow more efficient.  As others have pointed out, the container conundrum makes importing video files slightly more complicated than importing audio.  All .mov or .avi files are not created equal.  On some machines they will work flawlessly and on some machines they will not. The key is always going to to be a good working knowledge of what variations of .mov files your machine likes.  The workflow suggestions John and Jimbo are good suggestions.  i never bother bringing full rez video in Sonar or any other audio editor because of the performance hit.  I'm more apt to import my audio into my video project than vice versa.

@StepD - Sad to hear. Hopefully they'll release something better in X3. Nothing beats the workflow of Sonar but when you bring in video it's a different story.

@dubdisciple - Unfortunately my work consists of a lot of quicktimes that require really fast turnaround.... so if I can shave any time off my current workflow I love it. I also have the whole Adobe suite.

When working in Sonar I don't really need super video resolution... so it's not about that. I just need to get things done fast. I lost a potential credit card commercial job because of that - so yeah I'm a bit miffed about the whole video thing :)

I would even spring for a hardware option if I could find one that's not expensive and can play all the QT files. So far no such luck.

I can't even express my disdain for Quicktime, but like it or not everything comes to me as such and they want it back exactly the same format - not only QT, but the SPECIFIC QT file they gave me. I sent it back one time in QT but with a different codec or something and the sup said he could not play it...
 
Quick question: Can Vegas put back the sound Quicktime Pro style - where it just replaces the old sound WITHOUT having to bounce or export the clip again? Premiere (in my limited knowledge) has to export it back - you can't just swap audio without decompressing and recompressing the file.

@firefly  I truly understand your frustration. Honestly,  as a fellow adobe suite user, I find myself using Sonar less for quik turn around applications for video.  If i simply need to record a music bed or mix it with a vo, or something that does not require sync with video, i will do it in Sonar, otherwise,  i rely on premiere's tight integration with Audition.  It's simply a quicker workflow.  There are things i hate about Audition, but that workflow might work best for you.

 
Once again, you have not read my OP. I didn't "quibble" with the advice given, I just clearly pointed out that this is my PRESENT workflow.
 
You could have just stated that "Dude, that's just the way it is - you have to deal with it".   

Well, let's see.... it was you in post #6 that called the suggested workflow as complicated. I'd rate that as a quibble, and maybe a bit more.

Secondly, I would never say "Dude...that's..." - that's just plain off putting. You were given straight-up no-nonsense workflow advice right upfront in response to your query.  Predictably, that's exactly where you've come back full circle to now.

If you just wanted to beef about Sonar's issues, that's fine, - but that wasn't your question as posted.

You wanna know which other product can add audio to a video stream without a transcode? This isn't the place for that - try the DVForum or a manufacturers support forum.

But you knew all this from the get-go?

Of course, if you want to bellow about how much a client is a heel, or that they're too obtuse to add a wave file to their own video, that's fine too - but that's another topic.

If you want to beef about how adding audio to video in another products sucks, it costs more money, eats time, etc, that's fine - but that's not the question that was posted, and it'd be gratuitous as well.

Good luck.

Quicktime Files seem to be all over the place.  Avid QT files seem different than other QT files and I just can't keep track of what is what..nor do I care to.

I figure that if all my clients where not working with Apple computers we'd end up with the same problem with Windows Pic files and everyone would be complaining about Window Video formats.

I come from a time where I use to receive picture on 3/4" tape.  I use to have to record (digitize) picture in real time or strip Time Code to work in Sonar.  So spending a small amount of time in Vegas to generate a workable picture for Sonar feels more like a blessing than a chore or something that needs fixing.

SuperG
You wanna know which other product can add audio to a video stream without a transcode? This isn't the place for that - try the DVForum or a manufacturers support forum.

But you knew all this from the get-

Whaaaaaat??? :)
 
It's like you're responding to a different thread entirely. Yep, why should I post "looking for Sonar video integrating solution" on a Sonar forum... I should go to the manufacturer's support forum - what do you suggest: Sony - Adobe?? Where should I put my Sonar Video Question - Perhaps Panasonic can help me.
 
I explain it as clear as I can, but you appear to have an paranoic complex that makes everything I say seem, in your imagination, as having some dark hidden motive against you.  (try reading Don Quixote)
 
You make all these accusations based on your interpretation of my posts. Do me a favor and DON'T speak for me. If I have a problem I will say it flat out as I'm doing with you my fine chap. Speak for yourself ONLY as I didn't try to speak for you.
 
If I'm looking for an interpreter of my posts, you'll be the first to know.... promise :)
 
It should give you pause for thought that everybody else on this thread was able to have a civil dialogue, although they may not have agreed with me, EXCEPT for you...
 
Good luck in future endeavors - You're going to have tons of fun working in a team where back and forth problemsolving is required.
 
I'm sure your teammates will love the "Why do you bring up that problem - are you trying to start trouble?" line of thought.
 

Jimbo 88


Quicktime Files seem to be all over the place.  Avid QT files seem different than other QT files and I just can't keep track of what is what..nor do I care to.

Agreed - but I really can't tell the people that I work with to 'go suck it' when they send me QT :) (although I wish I could)
 
The other problem for me was noted above in the response to Dubdisciple. I need to send the same format back in QT. So not only do I have to transcode, but I have to sync back to the original vid. I'll give Vegas a try. Premiere pro is a pain doing this because it decompresses and recompresses things... and I was under the impression that Premiere was more advanced than Vegas. But you might be right. If I can just swap audio in Vegas without it recompressing back then that would still be an advantage.

firefly9000

Jimbo 88


Quicktime Files seem to be all over the place.  Avid QT files seem different than other QT files and I just can't keep track of what is what..nor do I care to.

Agreed - but I really can't tell the people that I work with to 'go suck it' when they send me QT :) (although I wish I could)
 
The other problem for me was noted above in the response to Dubdisciple. I need to send the same format back in QT. So not only do I have to transcode, but I have to sync back to the original vid. I'll give Vegas a try. Premiere pro is a pain doing this because it decompresses and recompresses things... and I was under the impression that Premiere was more advanced than Vegas. But you might be right. If I can just swap audio in Vegas without it recompressing back then that would still be an advantage.

 
Yep,  never tell your client "go suck it".  I tell them "send me the file anyway you want".  Then I let Vegas handle any issues.
  
Do you really need to match Your clients codecs to send back?  That would be a PITA and not sure I could do it.
 
 Premiere, i believe, is more advanced than Vegas.  But Vegas comes in various cheaper, lite versions and looks/acts like most DAWs.
 
When i export a wav out of Sonar it is the same length as my Picture file.  So no syncing is necessary.  That process can be painfull also.