When I first got Producer X1 I had lamented that entering notes on the staff view required the use of a button labeled 1/8, 1/4, 1/2 etc where in Sonar Producer there were music notation buttons to choose from. Musicians should think in music notation not mathmatical fractions.  So I ask anew, has this changed in X2?
 

nope it hasn't. i would however say that the idea that musicians should think in music notation not mathematical fractions is quite a westernized concept and very limiting.  it is hard to do microtunings from global regions outside the scope of western music and accommodate other tuning systems such as harry partch's 43 tone scale.  and remember, even western tuning was derived mathematically from fractions. http://en.wikipedia.org/w...thagorean_tuning 

Those mean eighth note quarter note and half note respectively. I am not sure how that is a problem. 

Swamptooth, I am exceedingly sorry if your view of world music was insulted.  It won't happen again.  Does anyone know of an add-on to make entering notes on the staff view more intuitive to those of us impaired by western music notation?  It is not optimal to  have to use Finale to score things and import everything over.

  OK. 1. When you are writing music in staff, there are no numbers written, just figures that are universal for melodic music (other notations exist). It makes total sense to me to expect a system that shows the actual figures (head-stem-flag) that are to be placed, and no some numbers or fractions. That has to do with usability rather than music theory or where you live, or where you learn music. 2. Now, using the lenght of the note is something from USA, German,following that root. In French and Spanish, they are named after the actual figure: Round (redonda), white (blanca, blanche), Black (negra, noir), and so on. Italians use another names. The only thing that is universal for all (Asian notations are different, but adopted this one), is the actual figures. So, if the program is going to be used worldwide, why choose an icon in a button that may be undestood only by North American's and Germans? That is the actual discussion. 3. To answer the question, since that is why we are here for, I have no idea of any plugin to change that, nor any clue of a preference to change to figures. What I would suggest, though, is that since working with the staff view in Sonar is actually a pain for input of a great amount of music, is to get a specialized notation software (finale's notepad is free and basic but works pretty well, AND HAS FIGURE BUTTONS as we may expect), and then import the midi file. Hope this helps. William Martinez Pomares.

Sorry, I didn't read your last comment saying Finale's was not optimal. Yes, you are rigth, but it seems it is what we have. Sorry.

JerryLan


Swamptooth, I am exceedingly sorry if your view of world music was insulted.  It won't happen again.  Does anyone know of an add-on to make entering notes on the staff view more intuitive to those of us impaired by western music notation?  It is not optimal to  have to use Finale to score things and import everything over.

LOL. no insults here.  i'm just kinda sad that the staff view isn't more accomodating.  i am however, very pleased that z3ta, rapture and dim pro utilize scala files which is pretty awesome! i just remember with a shudder the first time i had to analyze one of john cage's handwritten scores.  whew. talk about a mind blower!

swamptooth


nope it hasn't. i would however say that the idea that musicians should think in music notation not mathematical fractions is quite a westernized concept and very limiting.  it is hard to do microtunings from global regions outside the scope of western music and accommodate other tuning systems such as harry partch's 43 tone scale.  and remember, even western tuning was derived mathematically from fractions. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pythagorean_tuning 

How does the duration of a note (crotchet/quarter note etc.) relate to micro-tunings?  That baffles me.  Before accusing people of  being"cultural-ist", perhaps we need to get our facts straight.  A little knowledge is a dangerous thing.
 
I've not used the staff view in X2 yet.  I gave up some time ago and use Finale or some such and import into Sonar when I need to.  I'll have a look, when I get a chance.

the relationship is that all tuning systems, especially western, are based on mathematical relationships and notation systems are basically fractional representations of pitch and duration. 

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