Staff View On X2

2012/12/09 20:15:22

swamptooth

pong?

2012/12/09 21:19:50

jb101

I can't speak for the OP, but I think he wanted pictures of quarter notes/crotchets, whatever one wishes to call them, not just "1/4" notes.

How bringing micro-tonalities etc. into the conversation helped him, I don't know.

If one is using the staff view, based on western notation, I'm not sure how, in a DAW, we can encompass other world views without a myriad of buttons.

Notation is a western way of expressing music. It has its limitations.

I teach students the European names for note durations:- crotchets, quavers, semiquavers, etc., and also their american counterparts:- quarter notes, eighth notes and sixteenth notes, etc. When I draw a note on the staff, they understand what it is. I was guessing that this has changed in Sonar, and now use the American names, not the symbol. If I was wrong, I apologise. I'll have a look when I have time.

I still don't understand how this relates to micro-tonalities etc. I understand different tunings, temperments, and notation etc. But the OP was asking about the "STAFF" view, with respect to note durations. Surely this implies using western terminology, whether it be European or north american?

I deleted my previous post, as it is late, and I'm off to bed, and arguing this point seemed pointless.

I know what I meant, and so the OP would have done. Turning a convesation around to our own narrow sphere of knowledge does not make us wise.

John Cage was a great educator, not confuser.

2012/12/09 21:32:01

John T

Well, I think he invited that by talking about how musicians "should" think.

2012/12/09 21:34:14

John T

Me, I think anyone who wants to get all "I'm a proper musician" about it probably "should" be able to translate "1/4" into "crotchet" fainrly painlessly. This is not rocket science. And it's not like one is music and one's maths. They're both maths.

2012/12/09 23:30:26

swamptooth

jb101

I can't speak for the OP, but I think he wanted pictures of quarter notes/crotchets, whatever one wishes to call them, not just "1/4" notes.

How bringing micro-tonalities etc. into the conversation helped him, I don't know.

If one is using the staff view, based on western notation, I'm not sure how, in a DAW, we can encompass other world views without a myriad of buttons.

Notation is a western way of expressing music. It has its limitations.

I teach students the European names for note durations:- crotchets, quavers, semiquavers, etc., and also their american counterparts:- quarter notes, eighth notes and sixteenth notes, etc. When I draw a note on the staff, they understand what it is. I was guessing that this has changed in Sonar, and now use the American names, not the symbol. If I was wrong, I apologise. I'll have a look when I have time.

I still don't understand how this relates to micro-tonalities etc. I understand different tunings, temperments, and notation etc. But the OP was asking about the "STAFF" view, with respect to note durations. Surely this implies using western terminology, whether it be European or north american?

I deleted my previous post, as it is late, and I'm off to bed, and arguing this point seemed pointless.

I know what I meant, and so the OP would have done. Turning a convesation around to our own narrow sphere of knowledge does not make us wise.

John Cage was a great educator, not confuser.

yes, john was a great educator. an instructor of mine, gordon mumma, was a collaborator of his. i was fortunate enough to meet and speak with john on two separate occasions about a year before his death. i didn't have an issue with the op, except for the line "Musicians should think in music notation not mathmatical fractions.". if it hadn't been for the dissection of music into mathematical fractions, there would be not form of western notation as we know it. we would also be missing out on the revolutionaries such as cage and stockhausen and wendy carlos and harry partch. to me, saying musicians should think a certain way is like saying astronomers in galileos time should believe the sun revolved around the earth. fortunately, innovators like bob moog and others like dave smith and chet wood and miller puckette, etc. did not lock themselves in that box. i just think it's funny that in a field of inherent and beautiful creativity such as music to say an artist has to think a certain way is a bit hubristic.

2012/12/10 14:08:25

JerryLan

"to say an artist has to think a certain way is a bit hubristic."

I already appologized. I meant that "I" think that way.

By the way if you look up "Staff view" on the search screen you will find a post I made two years ago about the same thing when X1 came out and the input menu was first changed to take away the pictures of notes. A lot of people agree with me that the staff view is not very good.