Cody


Thanks everyone for your replies and ideas. Just to clarify, I'm using X2. Let me explain how I'm trying to use this. I run a live theater and use Sonar X2 to automate our shows. It has worked great for years. I use to be able to use the matrix with earlier versions. But something has changed in X2. I use to use the matrix to be able to layer a sound effect on top of a background track on the fly. So lets say I had a scene going on with background music playing and needed to have a recording of a phone ring play on top of the background music as soon as the actor said a certain line . . . While the background music was playing all the technician would have to do is click on the appropriate matrix cell to trigger the sound. I gave up yesterday. Ran out of time. I'm now using an Ipad to trigger those additional sounds for a performance that happens for the next few days. I'm still hopeful that the matrix could once again be useful for me. It used to work.

I can see that the bug that swamptooth has highlighted could cause problems depending on the clip being triggered. Having given Swamptooths video a little more thought I think we (him and me) are seeing the same bug. If they were just two whole notes in his video and the clip is constantly following the now time then it wouldn't sound when triggered because it would be halfway through a note that would only sound once the loop reached the beginning again, presumably at the start of the measure. The recording would seem to happen in the correct place though and would also presumably play back correctly.

If you had a pattern of quarter notes you wouldn't neccesarily notice it or on an audio clip either assuming the bug affects audio and again material dependent.

To conclude I think the bug is the fact that the clip follows the now time regardless of setting. Everything else seems to be a derivative of that.

Karl I think you hit the nail on the head.

hey karl, nice theory but it's not borne out by how the matrix in x1 would handle the same events.  the midi notes would trigger immediately whith transport on and record correctly as well. i will post a vid later to demonstrate. 

swamptooth


hey karl, nice theory but it's not borne out by how the matrix in x1 would handle the same events.  the midi notes would trigger immediately whith transport on and record correctly as well. i will post a vid later to demonstrate. 

No need I quite believe it, what I mean is that X2 has introduced a bug where the "Cell Start" mode is 'stuck' in "Offset to now time mode". The behaviour I see is that the clip triggers exactly when I trigger it whether the transport is rolling or not. It just always triggers synced to the now time rather than starting at the beginning of the clip regardless of setting. That's what I see which I think given the material in your vid would produce the result you see.

That clip in your video on the dim pro track is that a pair of whole notes?

I've just checked it. The clip triggers correctly but doesn't sound till the note on message which coincides with the measure start. I'm still fairly sure the bug is related to the Cell start mode. Try it you'll see what I mean. Use a clip with whole notes and follow your video, you'll get the results that you see in your video. Now repeat but with a clip with 1/8th notes instead. It will appear to behave correctly because the note on happens every eighth instead of every measure.

ah. gotccha. im starting to wonder if its tied toa clips properties...

I've got to together a recipe of sorts and put in a bug report for this. It may even be "by design" although it seems a little strange if that's the case.

It doesn't happen with audio here only MIDI and it seems that the cell actually triggers on time but doesn't sound until the note on is reached, which I can understand. However if the cell is at "restart" the note on should be the same time as the cell is triggered which it clearly isn't.

yeah karl, thanks for confirming this.  same results with audio cells here as well for the most part.  i had a bit of oddness in x1 but nothing this dramatic. sometimes the note on events would trigger a bit late but i was chalking that up to midi latency or the soft synths ramping up and needing a bit of time to respond to note on events but now i'm not so sure that it wasn't a bug that carried over and got compounded by the matrix changes.  exactly why i am putting together vids to document issues so that i can link to them in the problem reporter. i'm really hoping it helps the techs out as far as understanding what a certain issue is - words can sometimes compound misunderstanding.

How in the h*ll do you get a cell to start from the beginning immediately while the transport is running?????

Sorry about that Cody. Its a bug that  I just fixed it yesterday. With all the massive changes to the Matrix in X2 a bug got introduced where the cell triggering logic was zeroing the sample position always when the transport was rolling. It needed to respect the "Cell Start = Restart" setting. Fortunately this was a very simple thing to fix.

PS: In the future make sure you also report stuff like this though official bug reporting channels so that it gets into the system. Relying on someone from Cakewalk spotting it here is a crapshoot :)

Thanks for the fix Noel! I'll be looking forward to the next patch. I wasn't sure if it was a bug or user error on my part. I currently have a bug report sent in about the scroll line disappearing with the "Playlist". I hope it's as easy a fix.

If you are a playlist fan you might be pleasantly surprised by the next update.