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2012/12/07 16:49:15
QuadCore
  The subject line says it all basically. I am wondering what to use as reference CDs to make sure i get the spectrum of lows. mids, highs in balance, and instrument/vocal levels balanced, and the front to back / dry to wet settings balanced, for a mucis CD project i am 'producing' for a local musician song writer. I'm finding this to be not as easy as i would have expected, maybe because it's hard to be objective after working on this project for so long. What CDs do you use? BTW - I'd describe the music as acoustic/electric/melodic with a fair bit of vocals.
2012/12/07 16:59:33
Sepheritoh
I have been asking myself same question. The answer is that you must get material in a similar genre. No hip-hop reference CD will be any good in a rock project. Every project has a different requirement.

Now to answer the question. The project I am working on now I use Les Miserables, the Broadway cast recording, Phantom of the opera (mixed by LeVan, a genius all around), the London cast recording, Pink floyd Dark side of the moon and a song from Uriah Heep greatest hits remastered, The wizard. A nice combination.
2012/12/07 17:06:11
Razorwit
Well, it's not a CD, but I'd check the Bob Katz Honor Roll:

http://www.digido.com/media/honor-roll.html

Dean
2012/12/07 19:58:48
bitflipper

I have many references, but no two sound alike because my collection represents a broad spectrum of genres, instrumentation and eras. Different styles have different standards, and standards shift over time. So it really comes down to what you're trying to emulate. Who's your favorite band that sounds kinda like you?  

So as not to appear to have dodged the question...two of my favorite references for acoustic music are "New Favorite" by Alison Krausse & Union Station, and "Graceland" by Paul Simon. Whether or not those would suit your purposes, I dunno. Sometimes I go off in a different direction and reference anything by Tom Petty & the Heartbreakers that was produced by Jeff Lynne.



2012/12/07 20:09:25
emwhy
That's a tough one because how do you build a mix when really the only reference material you have is a completed master. There's obviously a difference between a mix and a final master. In my early days I used to try to make my mixes compete with the reference disc....big mistake. I find that I go with what Razorwit said. I recently did a live DVD mix for a Skynyrd tribute band so naturally used one or their live discs to get a feel for how the mix should come together.

2012/12/07 20:37:53
Splat
INXS Kick.
Especially good for classical music and sea shanties.
2012/12/07 20:50:20
jb101
I'm not sure if this is to provide good reference tracks, or just to help learn how to listen to mixes.
 
I can't remember where I read this, it may have been Roey Izhaki.
 
Choose several tracks you admire and import twenty seconds or so of each track into your DAW one after another.  Then listen to them.
 
I have used this with various selections both  as "Ear Training" and as references, and have found it very useful.
2012/12/07 22:50:23
Maarkr

Some songs from:
Steely dan Talking Heads
ZZ Top
on a different computer and can't remember them...
did u google it?  thats how i got them, recommended by mixing artists.
2012/12/07 23:14:23
Jeff Evans
If you are mixing and mastering a more professional project for a client then then client themselves is usually the best source of ref CD's. They should have some  fine examples for you to check out. Just get a lend of them and rip a cross section of tracks that are close or relevant to the project you are doing. 

It is also important that you monitor any ref CD's at the same level as your mix. They will be mastered and much louder so you must lower the level to your mix and they will be more effective. They will also give you some idea about how loud to master your final product as well when you are mastering. The client is going to say they want their CD to be the same volume as the commercial CD's.   

It is definitely better to do this rather than just use great recordings you know (eg Steely Dan) or the Katz honor roll. They are only good if the music and the mix is right in the ball park but if they are not they are not as helpful as you might think. What those sort of ref recordings are good for though is going into a shop and testing and possibly buying monitors etc..

2012/12/07 23:49:57
melmyers
Jeff's absolutely right with his suggestion to use reference tracks that are "relevant to the project".

Steely Dan recordings are among the cleanest & most musical ever, and if you're working on a jazz-leaning project, it's the standard to strive for. But if the project is modern rock, you might want to go with a Foo Fighters CD...or if it's bluegrass, an Alison Krauss CD, etc.

One of the recording magazines recently showed a screenshot of the session for Fun's "Tonight We Are Young". At the bottom of all their multi-tracked instruments & vocals was a Kanye West track and a Queen track.

They must have been using the Queen song as a benchmark for the vocal sound they were trying to achieve (and did quite well at, I must say), and the West track to make sure they had the right sonic punch for today's music marketplace.
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