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2012/12/05 20:20:03
jb101
cornieleous


By the way jb101 - whats with those "typos"? Seems pretty childish to me. What kind of passive aggressive crap is that? Many of the longtime users are hanging around because nothing better than 8.5.3 has come out in another brand or from Cakewalk.

Passive aggresive crap.  Really?  What kind of talk is that?  Don' talk to me about childish if you know what  I'm talking about.  Pot, kettle, black..
 
I have no gripe with you.  I have not seen you needlessly posting argumentative  claptrap.
 
Childish.  Mmmm..
2012/12/05 20:27:58
Splat
I think he's being bittchy a little over sensitive jb.
2012/12/06 00:12:28
Mooch4056




Wait! When did Roland buy Sonar? 
2012/12/06 04:15:58
Bristol_Jonesey
I've had a mixed experience with X2 so far, but since I re-installed it, I think I've only had one crash, which seems to be related to a specific project.

Similar thoughts apply to X1d Exp. It wasn't completely crash free for me, but I much prefer either version to 8.5.3

X2 provides an extremely rich feature set and comes equipped with a large collection of plugins & soft synths. Sure, there are things that need fixing, but what software doesn't?
2012/12/06 04:41:03
Linear Phase
Roland is like, "a legendary," musical instrument company.   And for the foreseeable future, this market is going to be a difficult one to make $ in.   So, we should all be happy the companies will survive, and hopefully prosper by consolidating their resources.

  You know?  It sucks to buy a piece of software and think, "I just spent five years learning this through and through, and boom, the company went out of business, and now I can't get my key-file to work, or get their licenser to authorize me on my new machine," or whatever... 

I'd like to see Roland and Cakewalk stay with us, for twenty more years.  But in these economic times?

Its hard for me to say, "what I really believe," because I do not want to violate the TOS.  So I just want to say that it is my personal belief, "that the economy will not return to the 1990s."  and just leave it at that.

  Yes, I am happy the companies have consolidated.  I hope the employees are doing well, and I hope peoples families are thriving. 

I'd love to see Rapture 2.0, or a brand new, absolutely amazing Cakewalk Synth.  Or for X3, I'd like to see some amazing GUI work.   And also, I wouldn't mind seeing Cakewalk Brand Thunderbolt Audio Interfaces, that were not too expensive, and worked on PC/windows machines...

As far as X2 is concerned..  I'm skipping this update..   Has nothing to do with the software.  I have a limited budget, a lot of software licenses, and other stuff I want to purchase..   All kinds of school, work, and family responsibilities.

I look forward to a few years down the road, and see what new products, if any..  are actually coming.
2012/12/06 06:10:52
Pragi
Imo CW and all Sonar owner´s can be very happy
that Roland has taken over, because Roland is a
music instrument building(hardware -) company
which is not interested in unpalatable compromises  
for CW and the upgrade structure is getting
(hopefully more and more ) towards stability. 

In that sense the  interests of CW and Roland are fitting
completely good and both have a lot to expedite .
Hardware (synthis,interfaces aso) created for Sonar and
software for Roland synthies aso.

I remember the years of Steinberg ( Q-base)when they were disposed
to pinnacle which treated Cubase like a cow in milk.


Pragi





 
2012/12/06 09:13:50
SteveStrummerUK
WDI

IMO, it's not about the frequency of updates, but about the quality of the features in place. Sometimes it seems like cakewalk should slow down and perfect thier ideas. Often it seems like they go in a new direction just to get people to upgrade leaving some very basic things not working as good as they should. 

+1 to this ^^^^^^^
 
Innovation is obviously the key factor in technology-related industries - the difficulty is in getting the balance right between bringing the latest shiny new toy to the market first or designing a quality product that will last and releasing it when it's ready. Of course, if you get both aspects right, you've cracked it.
 
I think most of us would agree that Cakewalk have fallen into the first category on many more occasions than the latter.
 
It took a while, but I've grown to love X1 and now X2, but I'm so frustrated by a couple of (easily fixable?) things that drive me wild and have a real adverse effect on my workflow. And the irony is that these aren't new features as such that are causing me grief, but old features that have effectively been removed.
 
Less serious of the two is the transition from Take Layers (X1 and before) to Take Lanes (X2). I fully understand that some people prefer the newer incarnation of this feature and that's fine, but I also know that a lot of you have expressed a similar view to mine in that they should at least have kept the old feature as an option.
 
However, the biggie for me is colour/contrast customisation
 
My eyesight is such that I find it very difficult to distinguish detail in low light and in low contrast situations. I had 8.5.3 set up so, for example, you could see which track was selected from space. I spent hours one day working my way through all the various menus and got the program perfectly customised for me. But with X1 I was confronted by an almost homogenous sea of grey, and no real way of changing it.
 
Seriously, and to give you a rough idea, working in X1 and X2 is like this for me a lot of the time
 
We've seen how easy it is for Panu and Ben to give us some colour and customisation, and it's obvious that a lot of you want it back, but it's obviously been falling on deaf, or more likely, unlistening, ears.
 
 
 
2012/12/06 09:17:45
garrigus
Roland JX-8P was my first keyboard. Actually, I still have it, but haven't used it in a while. Nice board though. Can't remember what I paid for it back then, but it was probably much more expensive than today's boards.

Scott

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2012/12/06 09:24:15
Bristol_Jonesey
D50 for me - and I still use it, albeit sparingly
2012/12/06 09:34:04
jb101
Roland JX-3P for me.  Still used it until quite recently.  May break it out again if I can rearrange my studio a bit.  Still using my XP-60.
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