munmun


I remember the worries at the time.  I think that I am.  X2 has been a quantum leap.  Hard to know whether Roland drove that.  Still at least Roland is a company dedicated to music making.  Unlike Logic users who are at the mercy of a consumer electronics company that puts out an update every 3-4 years.

That's one way of seeing things. And it's far from objective.


The way I see it - Apple released an incredible piece of software 3 years ago which is still ahead or as good as the competition in many areas (swipe comping, varispeed, etc.) The skylight GUI around which so much noise was made when X1 came out is actually an adaptation of a design implemented by Apple in Logic way back in 2007.


Since Logic 9 came out 3 years ago, Apple has been constantly releasing free updates and fixes - the most recent just last month. 


As a user, there is something good to be said about a developer that doesn't feel the need to sell a new upgrade every year and then issue the mandatory 2 or 3 fixes, leaving plenty of issues behind before they systematically force you to buy a new version in hope that the bugs will have been fixed.

Another way to see it is that Apple doesn't need to sell you rushed upgrades every year. They know darn well that once you buy into their system, you'll probably end up w/ an iPhone, and iPad, a MacBook, buying music from iTunes and relying on them for all your computing needs. It's simply more convenient.

Roland is a company dedicated to making money, like all of them. The yearly releases, the modular approach (Pro Channel stuff), etc...

If they were in it for the music, Rapture and Dimension would probably have been updated in the last 2 years. As of today, neither of them even support either of the two last OS X revisions.

Apple isn't treating us Logic users as badly as you seem to assume.

I am glad.

Also worth mentioning - there are actually some nice advantages in having the manufacturer of your DAW software also provide you the OS and the hardware to run it.

On the other hand, whatever piece of software you decide to use, you still depend on Microsoft. They too could screw things up pretty badly. And even though they don't manufacture your DAW and the hardware, it's pretty clear these days that MS is only following in Apple's steps once again.

90% of the publicities I have to put up w/ when I watch South Park (the only thing I watch) are about:
 
1 - the heavily Mac OS X inspired Windows 8
2 - the wickedly innovative Windows App Store
3 - Windows phones and Windows Tablets

So whatever Apple does, you can be sure that it will have consequences on your platform of choice.

cryophonik

I think the whole deal was an evil conspiracy by Roland to steal Brandon.  Now that they've got him, they're going to cut off development of all Cakewalk products.

See .. this is the problem with stupid people!

That hat will never work! He's got the shiny side of the foil up! It has to be down so the brain waves reflect back in to his skull!

People.

Pfft.

Don't forget that Roland's groove synth is in Sonar since when? Some other evidence of the "marriage" of Roland and cakewalk is their A300, 500 and 800 Pro controller keyboard. I have the 500. Easy to use with ACT function. Haven't have any serious complain from me. Probably designed to work with Sonar in mind.

musichoo


Don't forget that Roland's groove synth is in Sonar since when? Some other evidence of the "marriage" of Roland and cakewalk is their A300, 500 and 800 Pro controller keyboard. I have the 500. Easy to use with ACT function. Haven't have any serious complain from me. Probably designed to work with Sonar in mind.

Like the VS700?
 
Ah, yes!

Hi Marcus,

http://www.roland.com/

best regards,
mike

I do think its cool that Cake and Roland can colaborate on hardware/software like vs700 and v mixing system or whatever. I would think that benefits all parties involved including us measly little old end users. 

Rain

munmun


I remember the worries at the time.  I think that I am.  X2 has been a quantum leap.  Hard to know whether Roland drove that.  Still at least Roland is a company dedicated to music making.  Unlike Logic users who are at the mercy of a consumer electronics company that puts out an update every 3-4 years.

That's one way of seeing things. And it's far from objective.


The way I see it - Apple released an incredible piece of software 3 years ago which is still ahead or as good as the competition in many areas (swipe comping, varispeed, etc.) The skylight GUI around which so much noise was made when X1 came out is actually an adaptation of a design implemented by Apple in Logic way back in 2007.


Since Logic 9 came out 3 years ago, Apple has been constantly releasing free updates and fixes - the most recent just last month. 


As a user, there is something good to be said about a developer that doesn't feel the need to sell a new upgrade every year and then issue the mandatory 2 or 3 fixes, leaving plenty of issues behind before they systematically force you to buy a new version in hope that the bugs will have been fixed.

Another way to see it is that Apple doesn't need to sell you rushed upgrades every year. They know darn well that once you buy into their system, you'll probably end up w/ an iPhone, and iPad, a MacBook, buying music from iTunes and relying on them for all your computing needs. It's simply more convenient.

Roland is a company dedicated to making money, like all of them. The yearly releases, the modular approach (Pro Channel stuff), etc...

If they were in it for the music, Rapture and Dimension would probably have been updated in the last 2 years. As of today, neither of them even support either of the two last OS X revisions.

Apple isn't treating us Logic users as badly as you seem to assume.

I agree with what Rain has said.


I'm currently using Logic more than Sonar, and the fact that is hasn't had a major upgrade for a while is certainly not a problem as far as I am concerned.  I do however eagerly read up on the gossip whenever Sonar is due for an update and lurk here far more than on the Logic forums.  


I don't think Logic is better than Sonar (or vice-versa), but for me (as I am Mac based) it is currently more convenient to use - that's all


Andy

mike_mccue


Hi Marcus,

http://www.roland.com/

best regards,
mike

LOL mike! I guess I kind of got what I asked for and thanks for that. I was just hoping for some examples, but let me give you one. 


I have a Jam Man looper from Digitech. I had the Roland looper first but I sold it. The features on the Roland looper did not match up as well as the Jam Man. The internal memory on the Roland product was not big enough. the amount of loops you could save was only about 15. On the Jam Man you could save 99 loops. The Jam man had an external memory card the Roland looper did not. Even though they had 15 places to save loops I could only save about 3 songs because of the size of the internal memory and no way to have an external memory.

Based on Rolands looper series and what I do with them I would say that their are a bunch of ways to improve this product line and there are far better ones on the market. 


However I have other Roland gear that I absolutely love like the GR 20 and the GR 33. No one does that as well as Roland. The VS-100 is great and I have used that for remote recording as well. This is why I really have no opinion on this. I feel that Some of their gear is missing the mark while other products are really good.


I was just hoping you could provide some perspective through your experience on some of the other products you have used. Your response was pretty funny though