I can feel for you guys, but I must admit....I have 2 UAD-1's here working perfectly in Sonar using Win 7. The problem with this whole community is people constantly feel the need to upgrade to the latest and greatest instead of just using "what works". Seriously, anyone that is serious about recording knows that when you get something that works, you stick with it. Especially if you rely on the income from recording.

I knew the UAD-1 would be discontinued, I knew what software would cripple the card and I stayed away from it. Why would I even attempt to mess up a well oiled machine? I've had the UAD-1 since it came out. It works perfectly. However, I also have 2- UAD-2 Quads and 2- Duo's. You do yourself an injustice if you don't upgrade to at least a Duo in my opinion. I have a wide array of plugs in my library that are supposedly models of things. The UAD versions always sound better to me either because they sound like the hardware, or have a unique sound that the others just don't have.

I feel for those of you experiencing trouble....I really do. However, in these times, the key for me is a system that works without issues. If it takes Windows XP and old drivers for that to work, so be it. I have an XP machine running the UAD-1 cards that also has an old Layla 24/96 in it. Old technology...but it works and it hangs right with my new boxes running Win 7 with RME, Lynx and Apogee along with UAD-2 cards. I don't have access to the newer plugs with the UAD-1, but I have no problems using the old stuff simply because...it works.

The other problem with todays times is, when you upgrade something, it's safe to say you need to upgrade everything. That part of this business is truly sad, but there's nothing we can do about it other than boycotting. If you do that, you cut your nose off to spite your face. I'd be lost without my UAD's. If they cancel Sonar support tomorrow, I have machines set up to run them that work so that I'm not screwing around with drivers and experimenting with what may or may not work. I could care less if they stop support or not. I can make them work and understand the deal. Complaining about it doesn't help yourselves or anyone else. You make it work using the requirements or you just use something else. It's that simple really.

And stop upgrading all the time unless you have to. Too many people cripple themselves because of that. Screw Windows 8 until you absolutely need it. If your choice is to have all the latest and greatest stuff on the market, sit there and be a tweaker if you choose. I'd rather get work done...even if it takes using a machine running Windows 98 SE running Sonar 2.2....which I actually have that works like a champ. While you tweak, I'll work. It's really cut and dry to me.

I'm not trying to stir up any controversy or sound un-affectionate to anyone having problems....honest. I just don't see why people put themselves in this position when in reality, they don't need to. I can use Sonar 2.2 all the way up to 8.5 without needing the additional bells and whistles we have now if I had to. I'd be fine using them as well as the operating systems that support them along with UAD-1. It pays to have a few pc's around with different operating systems. Selling off old systems doesn't get you any money anyway...so I save mine because you just never know. :)

-Danny

Good points Danny, however my big BUTT with UAD is the last 2 updates have clearly disabled my uAD-1 stuff with no warning from them...when I try to go bacvk, I have to go WAAAAYY back to find a software update that works on Win7...this aught not to be...

My hardware has not changed in two years...all I have done is upgraded software, (Sonar and Win7 to be exact)...so finally UAD gets thier act together and starts writing code in 64...BUTT...not for older cards...and being somewhat of a AD/design and spec guy I can tell you that this is purely a business decision since the primary flagship of the sharc processor has not changed for them in the last 2 years...and if it has those changes DO NOT PRECLUDE updating the older card coding for users...a UAD pci-x card is running a fairly newer sharc processor...not some legacy chip that could not be coded...

The sharc platform is getting a bit long in tooth as well...

I have a Damage Control Glass Nexus that runs the same chip...its a hardware verb/flange/effects pedal...I will be using it instead of my UAD stuff...I would rather fight with external insert than UAD code...

Psychobillybob


Good points Danny, however my big BUTT with UAD is the last 2 updates have clearly disabled my uAD-1 stuff with no warning from them...when I try to go bacvk, I have to go WAAAAYY back to find a software update that works on Win7...this aught not to be...

My hardware has not changed in two years...all I have done is upgraded software, (Sonar and Win7 to be exact)...so finally UAD gets thier act together and starts writing code in 64...BUTT...not for older cards...and being somewhat of a AD/design and spec guy I can tell you that this is purely a business decision since the primary flagship of the sharc processor has not changed for them in the last 2 years...and if it has those changes DO NOT PRECLUDE updating the older card coding for users...a UAD pci-x card is running a fairly newer sharc processor...not some legacy chip that could not be coded...

The sharc platform is getting a bit long in tooth as well...

I have a Damage Control Glass Nexus that runs the same chip...its a hardware verb/flange/effects pedal...I will be using it instead of my UAD stuff...I would rather fight with external insert than UAD code...

Totally understand Bob. I know there are some people with legit issues for sure. I'm lucky to be one of those guys who hasn't had many and I've always found some sort of way to fix things. They definitely should have warning messages, but I seem to remember getting emails from them telling me which versions to stay away from for the UAD 1. I believe we're using 5.0 or something on our Win 7 box for the UAD-1. I can check on that to be sure though.
 
On the 64 bit thing, yeah, I can totally understand that too. See man, I never use 64 because I simply don't need it. I've always had a state of the art pc for the times that didn't need any stuff frozen. Even my first XP box I bought from Sweetwater running Sonar 5 (dual core) didn't need anything frozen until I really started loading things up. The boxes I have today all have Sonar 64 on them just in case, but again, I don't need it but it's there if I do.
 
I get too many issues with bitbridge, so I changed over to J-bridge. I just have to finish converting all my plugs. I also have some old DX plugs that I can't stop using, so that's another reason I stay away from Sonar 64. I just don't have any problems in 32 and never have to freeze anything....so like I say, when something works for me, I stick with it. I just came up with things that work for me in my environment I guess. I saw no benefit of 64 to go through the pains to make it right. Just about all my plugs are 64 bit now, but I still get the "teleport server" issue from time to time which never happens in Sonar 32, so again...I just stick with what works for me. :)
 
-Danny

So I went back to 6.0 but so far I can still only run one plug-in at a time...it disables all but the first one even though there is plenty of dsp available...so if there is not some kind of resolution I will be getting rid of these cards and about a grand worth of authorized plug-ins...its not worth the hassle...

In effect it would be as though Cake released X2 but as part of installing X2 it would have disabled 8.5.3 even though it ran perfectly.


That's an unbelievably non-customer centric model.

And I've stopped buying plugs from them since they released the drivers to pretty much disable my working UAD1. My UAD2 runs perfectly but I can't update it without disabling my UAD1.


Crazy BS......

Psychobillybob


So I went back to 6.0 but so far I can still only run one plug-in at a time...it disables all but the first one even though there is plenty of dsp available...so if there is not some kind of resolution I will be getting rid of these cards and about a grand worth of authorized plug-ins...its not worth the hassle...

Bob, I just called down to my other studio. We're using version 5.7 there for the UAD-1's without any issues in Win 7. Try it and see if it works. The only problem you *may* run into is the firmware updates you've already done. I don't believe it will downgrade the firmware flash. We never updated ours since it works fine so that may be why we're in good shape with that system. Wouldn't hurt to try it though to see if it allows you to enable more instances. It won't help you for Sonar 64 as you'll still be bit-bridging, but it may get you able to run all your plug instances again. Sorry you're having problems, good luck.
 
-Danny

I checked my version rev and it as 6.1.0.  I believe that is the very last version that fully supports UAD1 and UAD2.

The version right after it disables my perfectly working UAD1.

I checked my version rev and it as 6.1.0.  I believe that is the very last version that fully supports UAD1 and UAD2.

The version right after it disables my perfectly working UAD1.

Gregmang


BTW - I was surprised at how many of my projects had Nigel in them.  Nice of UA just to *SURPRISE* make it go away...


Never again....

Actually, you can "thank" Spinal Tap's Christopher Guest for that one. He sued UA for calling the amp sim "Nigel" and UA was in no position to get into a legal fight, so IIRC it was basically a "cease and desist" situation. I don't know the terms of the settlement and whether it precluded doing amp aims in the future, whether Guest demanded a royalty from any amp sim product, or whatever.


He ALSO sued Digidesign for calling their rack "Eleven." Digi had a lot more bucks and a team of lawyers, and again IIRC, told him to go screw himself (in legally polite terms, or course).


Knowing about these incidents kind of reduced my joy in watching "Spinal Tap."

Wait... maybe I'm misunderstanding some points here but this is the problem I see with some views here. I could totally just be way off...

Someone said what UAD did was similar to Sonar updating to X2 and making 8.5.3 not work anymore.

This isn't apples-to-apples. If you upgrade to their newer software (6.x), you do so for fixes and upgrades to their newer technology. The upgrades have nothing to do with UAD-1. So if you have a UAD-1 card, don't upgrade. There was definitely a lot of warning when it was released. And since their BIG upgrade promo, you can still find the warnings if you look.

I think some of us here may not have taken the time to look, but technology upgrades, software, hardware, etc, are all still subject to user-caution. If I don't upgrade just cause I got an email telling me a new upgrade is out. Especially if I know I have an older system that may not play nice with the upgrade.

Kinda like upgrading your DAW to 64-bit... best make sure you can get the 64-bit drivers for your interface, plugins, etc etc.

If you have both cards like I did, you have a decision to make. I had to... and I honestly am keeping an eye on UAD's policies nowadays. I may just sell my cards and go with the CLA bundle with Waves and whatnot.

I think the whole DSP-card deal is lame, but that's another thread ;)