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2012/11/29 09:48:24
Bub
I've tried to use it, and to be honest, I don't get near the effect that Craig did does. Compared to what I've been able to achieve with it, I'd say Craig's results were extremely dramatic in comparison.

Is there a certain amount of input gain that it needs perhaps?

I try to have my tracks hover around -18 +/-, but I have tried to increase the gain, lower it, and didn't hear any results.

I'm just not getting the results others are claiming to get. I hope it's not another case of it's just not turning on even thought it's lit up and the meters are moving, like a lot of us ran in to with X1 and the Pro Channel debacle. :(

Edit .....

BTW ... I have a pair of Yamaha HS-80 Monitors running through an M-Audio Fast Track Ultra. I would think that setup would have enough range to be able to hear the changes? I mean ... after all ... I watched the video on my laptop, it has 1.5" full range speakers, and I could clearly hear the changes when Craig was making changes in the video.

I'd think if I could hear dramatic changes on my 1.5" full range laptop speakers, I'd certainly hear them on my HS-80's?
2012/11/29 10:00:58
Bub
Another thought ... maybe it is dependent on the frequency range of the material? Maybe we shouldn't be doing EQ rolloff's until after the CE? Edit: I have tried it both ways with no noticeable results.

I don't know ... there's got to be some reason why Craig can get such a clear result, and others can't.

Just brainstorming ...
2012/11/29 10:01:33
Beepster
@bub... Which Type are you using and what style of music? It seems to have more of an effect on stuff that's already hot/distorted.

And for those that can't hear it it might be hearing loss in the higher end. Somehow over the past few years after I stopped gigging my ears have become really sharp again (thank FSM). I don't think I would have noticed the subtlety of this effect back when I was playing full blast, knock down metal a few days a week.
2012/11/29 10:11:41
LpMike75
GIM Productions


LPMike75 wrote:"I still can't hear it, nevermind trying to differentiate which typeI turn it on because it looks cool. End of story".At this point i believe that you have a little monitoring problem.I hear the difference on my 40 tracks prj with a 20 euro in ears headphones much more with my studio monitors(Adam and K&H).Moreover i don't believe that an estimated Music Pro as Mr. Anderton say things unreliable.Best

 
I certainly was not calling in to question Mr. Anderton's credentials, skills or hearing ability, to infer I was making a personal attack on Mr. Anderton is uncalled for.   I am simply stating for my case, I cannot hear a difference, I have may music pieces that are double and triple a "40 tracks count" and I still cannot hear a difference. 
 
If you can honestly hear a difference, than you must have very fined tuned ears.  I aspire to achieve that status someday.  I would like to see a blind test done with all the people who claim to hear a difference, and see how much they hear, compared to how much they believe they hear, because someone said it was true.  Then we could take it further, and see if they could identify which type of CE is being used, in the blind test.  Now THAT would be most impressive.  If we had even 10 out of 100 people accurately pick out the type of CE being used I would be very surpirsed.
2012/11/29 10:18:07
Bub
Beepster

@bub... Which Type are you using and what style of music? It seems to have more of an effect on stuff that's already hot/distorted.
I've tried all 3 Types.

The last project I tried it on was 25 tracks, acoustic guitar, piano, strings, vocal's, bass, hammond. I copied the entire project so I'd have the original safe and secure. Then I removed every effect and every PC module and started from scratch with just the CE. I didn't hear a difference with it on or off on anything except the strings.

When I was able to get results with it, I loved it! It really does have a great sound to it.
2012/11/29 10:22:42
Beepster
@bub... Hmm, most everything I do is slathered with guitar so maybe it just responds more to stringed instruments.

And yeah, when it's noticeable it is quite nice. Takes away the clinical/sterile digital feeling a bit.
2012/11/29 10:26:02
clintmartin
Well I can hear it very well. I haven't decided if I like it yet, but I hear it. I've been using the N type mostly.
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