• SONAR
  • Beware of Windows Updates: Solved
2012/11/19 12:35:01
Marcus Curtis
I have been thankful that I have not had the problems that a lot of people have had with Sonar. Recently I started having problems with my hardware and it was after windows did an automatic update in the background with 18 security fixes. Here is the problems.

first my PC2A T-Type Leveling Amplifier vanished and was no longer in the pro channel. I use two audio interfaces. first I have a Sonar V-Studio 100 and next I have a Line 6 Pod X3 pro (Rack mount unit)


When I go into preferences and look at the hardware I uncheck the V-100 in the hardware driver section and the Pod X3 remains greyed out. I tried switching to WMD and everything appears, but then I noticed that the wave profile button no longer works and I cannot run a wave profile. I can run a wave profile under MME but not under WMD.


Here is what I did to try and resolve this. First I did a system restore point and rolled back before the updates. Next I reset the VSTs and did a new vst scan (that brought back the PC2a T) One problem solved


The Pod x3 remains greyed out. I need to keep it plugged in in order for Pod Farm to work. I unplugged the VS 100 and rebooted Sonar and the Pod X3 came back and I can use it. but now everytime I plug the VS 100 in it switches to that device and the Pod 3 remains greyed out under ASIO. even when everything is unchecked.


I still cannot run a wave profile under WMD. So here is my question and something to consider. I know cakewalk tested Sonar X2  before it was released and they did this on many systems. Does anyone think that the windows updates are contributing to the bugs in cakewalk? 


These problems are obviously bugs. Has anyone here got the same issues? Where do I go to report bugs? I have not had to do that yet.


Thanks in Advance for any advice and help!
2012/11/19 12:48:37
Beepster
Thanks for the heads up. That set of of updates totally hijacked my laptop the other night and took almost an hour to complete. I have noticed anything buggy going on on the laptop but I usually wait a while to see if anyone reports Win update issues on their DAWs before updating mine. Looks like I'll wait out this round. Friggen M$, man.

Cheers.
2012/11/19 13:57:54
Marcus Curtis
I have not had any serious issues until the updates were installed and the computer wanted to reboot. I had no idea that windows was updating itself. I turned automatic updates off. I don't know how it got turned back on again...ahhh the mysteries of buggy software.

Now I am waiting for the next update and I hope it is soon. stupid windows updates It hijacked my computer as well.
2012/11/19 14:03:37
Beepster
I know some folks don't have a choice in the matter but this is one of the many reasons I leave my DAW disconnected from the internet until I absolutely need to download something. I let my laptop be the guinea pig.

However that last round of updates was ridiculous. I was just getting ready to chill out for the night and decided to update Avast because it had been nagging at me for a couple days about a new version. When I rebooted Windows took over so I was stuck waiting for it to do it's thing. I freaking hate that.
2012/11/19 14:06:33
Beepster
Oh and maybe go scope out the Windows forums to see if maybe there is some chatter on any ways to remove the problematic elements. Not sure if CNET would discuss that type of stuff but they might be worth a peak too. Maybe even put in a support ticket with Cakewalk to see if they can find a tweak for you.

My lappy however seems to be working fine at the moment but obviously Sonar can be far more temperamental about these types of things. 

Cheers.
2012/11/19 14:08:18
John
I have my windows update set to not update. I then choose when to do so without being totally under the thumb of the OS. LOL  I can't imagine what havoc could be wrought by an update happening while I am doing critical stuff on the computer. Oh the humanity!  

In the case reported by the OP my method would most likely not stop the update from screwing up the computer.
2012/11/19 14:21:31
sharke
Windows doesn't do automatic updates in the background, it does them all when you shut down/reboot, surely? Maybe it downloads them in the background and installs them on shutdown? 
2012/11/19 14:27:36
Jonbouy
Interesting.
 
I pretty much soak up all the Windows updates when they arrive.  My reliability monitor in W7 has flat-lined at the max for as many weeks as it goes back (5 months worth IIRC).  Windows updates normally culminate in a Service Pack eventually and nobody would dispute that over that period of time stability of an OS gets improved.
 
There was one minor issue with one particular update in the last 5 months from what I can recall which was subsequently fixed.
 
The one thing that keeps me safe from this kind of thing and any kind of malware you care to name is having a strong policy of backing up the OS.  System restore doesn't cut it.  You need an imaging application that can backup or restore your entire OS in a matter of a few minutes per week.
 
If you'd found a particular issue with a specific update that would be useful but this kind of unfounded speculation over something that vaguely might or might not be an issue just undermines peoples confidence in whether their systems are working correctly or not.
 
Adopt a strong policy and remove any doubt.  That can include incremental backups as in my case or only ever adopting full service packs.  The responsibility is down to the administrator of your machine.  Which is usually yourself.
 
btw I've not found any bogey men in the wood-pile on the latest round of updates.  I always decline 'Skylight' and 'Bing Desktop'.
 
It figures if your machine worked perfectly when you took delivery of it and haven't updated a thing since it should still work perfectly, sometimes though you'll upgrade software or hardware and having the latest stability fixes to Windows may be just what's required if issues become apparent after such an upgrade.  Being able to get back to any point before such a major change however is great security, especially when it can be done in a matter of a few minutes. 
2012/11/19 14:28:54
Beepster
@sharke... Yup. I'm not sure if there is a way to make Windows NOT install the updates once they've weaseled their way onto the Shutdown/Restart button but if there is I'd sure like to know how. It's usually not a problem for me because I have my laptop set to do it's updates in the middle of the night while I'm sleeping but for performance/security reasons I usually clear my cache and reboot every day or so and sometimes I get stuck with going through the update process like I did the other night. 


2012/11/19 14:38:35
John
sharke


Windows doesn't do automatic updates in the background, it does them all when you shut down/reboot, surely? Maybe it downloads them in the background and installs them on shutdown? 


I want control of this. I don't want to leave it up to the OS. It doesn't bother me when its installing software so much but that its using the computer to retrieve the files. To me that is not a good thing if I need all the power of the computer for a job.  I also like to know what is being installed. So I do this when I want not when it wants. 

When it comes to the computer I am a control freak!!!!
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