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  • Beware of Windows Updates: Solved (p.2)
2012/11/19 14:53:31
Jonbouy
John


sharke


Windows doesn't do automatic updates in the background, it does them all when you shut down/reboot, surely? Maybe it downloads them in the background and installs them on shutdown? 


I want control of this. I don't want to leave it up to the OS. It doesn't bother me when its installing software so much but that its using the computer to retrieve the files. To me that is not a good thing if I need all the power of the computer for a job.  I also like to know what is being installed. So I do this when I want not when it wants. 

When it comes to the computer I am a control freak!!!!

+1
 
LOL, nothing happens on my machine unless I've explicitly allowed it.  So when I end up responding to the dreaded "Are you sure?" and end up nuking an entire partition then there's no-one to point the finger at but myself.
2012/11/19 14:57:54
sharke
John


sharke


Windows doesn't do automatic updates in the background, it does them all when you shut down/reboot, surely? Maybe it downloads them in the background and installs them on shutdown? 


I want control of this. I don't want to leave it up to the OS. It doesn't bother me when its installing software so much but that its using the computer to retrieve the files. To me that is not a good thing if I need all the power of the computer for a job.  I also like to know what is being installed. So I do this when I want not when it wants. 

When it comes to the computer I am a control freak!!!!

You do have control over this. (Windows 7) Start menu, right click computer, select properties. System dialog box, left sidebar, "See Also" heading --> Windows Update. You can find all the control you need there. 
2012/11/19 14:59:07
AT
Some updates need you to shut down, others don't.

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2012/11/19 15:02:22
John
sharke


John


sharke


Windows doesn't do automatic updates in the background, it does them all when you shut down/reboot, surely? Maybe it downloads them in the background and installs them on shutdown? 


I want control of this. I don't want to leave it up to the OS. It doesn't bother me when its installing software so much but that its using the computer to retrieve the files. To me that is not a good thing if I need all the power of the computer for a job.  I also like to know what is being installed. So I do this when I want not when it wants. 

When it comes to the computer I am a control freak!!!!

You do have control over this. (Windows 7) Start menu, right click computer, select properties. System dialog box, left sidebar, "See Also" heading --> Windows Update. You can find all the control you need there. 


I am not understanding you I do have total control. That is what I was saying. 
2012/11/19 17:51:07
Marcus Curtis
sharke


Windows doesn't do automatic updates in the background, it does them all when you shut down/reboot, surely? Maybe it downloads them in the background and installs them on shutdown? 

Windows will install while other programs are in use. The reboot usually reconfigures the software. Some updates are installed on reboot and others are install after they are downloaded. at least that is the way it works on my computer when I am running a bunch of updates. It will specify between downloading and installing.
Jonbouy


Interesting.
 
nobody would dispute that over that period of time stability of an OS gets improved.
 
There was one minor issue with one particular update in the last 5 months from what I can recall which was subsequently fixed.
 
The one thing that keeps me safe from this kind of thing and any kind of malware you care to name is having a strong policy of backing up the OS.  System restore doesn't cut it.  You need an imaging application that can backup or restore your entire OS in a matter of a few minutes per week.
 
If you'd found a particular issue with a specific update that would be useful but this kind of unfounded speculation over something that vaguely might or might not be an issue just undermines peoples confidence in whether their systems are working correctly or not.
 

Adopt a strong policy and remove any doubt.  That can include incremental backups as in my case or only ever adopting full service packs.  The responsibility is down to the administrator of your machine.  Which is usually yourself.
 
btw I've not found any bogey men in the wood-pile on the latest round of updates.  I always decline 'Skylight' and 'Bing Desktop'.
 
It figures if your machine worked perfectly when you took delivery of it and haven't updated a thing since it should still work perfectly, sometimes though you'll upgrade software or hardware and having the latest stability fixes to Windows may be just what's required if issues become apparent after such an upgrade.  Being able to get back to any point before such a major change however is great security, especially when it can be done in a matter of a few minutes.
  
I was using Sonar with no problems. Then a banner came up Instructing me to reboot the computer to finish the install. I saved my project shut down Sonar and rebooted the computer. The problems I am having started after I rebooted the machine. These problems did not exist before I rebooted. While it may be a bug within Sonar and that is where the fix needs to come from. I find it mistrustful that this happened during a windows update while I was using Sonar with no problems.


I know how to shut services off. This is not an issue of malware unless you want to consider Sonar malware. I shut down most of the services I did not need. Windows update setting was set to ask before downloading. I don't know how it got changed back to the default setting.


I have used windows since 3.1 and there have been times when I received updates that have screwed everything up. So yes I suspect updates as well. Not so much the update as the config change. Still I am not saying that windows is the problem. I just know that the issues came about after an update.


I still have the issues and I am still looking for the solutions.
2012/11/19 17:59:11
Jonbouy
I still have the issues and I am still looking for the solutions.

 
Hence I advocate a good OS imaging policy.
2012/11/19 18:11:28
tlw
In Win7 a list of installed updates can be found by opening the Control Panel and going to "Programs and Features". In the left hand column of the window, near the top is a link to "view installed updates".

That opens a list of installed updates, whether the update was successful or failed, and the date. Select an update, and the bar with the help icon at the right end of it then offers the option to uninstall the update (left hand end of same bar). Or right-click on the update for an uninstall prompt.

It strikes me the original problem may be a corrupted driver issue. I suggest disconnecting the audio devices then uninstalling the drivers. Reboot and re-install the drivers, then connect the interfaces and see if that helps. 



2012/11/19 19:27:30
Marcus Curtis
Jonbouy



I still have the issues and I am still looking for the solutions.

 
Hence I advocate a good OS imaging policy.

While I have imaging software that came with the computer. The last time I used it was way before the Sonar X2 installation. I am trying to avoid reimaging the hard drive or creating a new partition and installing the operating system all over again. uninstalling the updates may not fix the problem as it may be a bug within Sonar and not an update issue.

How do I fix this without reinstalling the operating system. Having a regular reimaging policy does not help the current situation. If this is a cakewalk bug then reimaging will not help. That is why I asked if anyone has had the same issues. 

Is there a link where cakewalk has a list of known issues? If this is a bug what would be the point to reimaging. I am thinking about going back to X1. All I need is a little information before I do. 





2012/11/20 03:46:33
Bristol_Jonesey
My 2 cents:

I have automatic Windows Updates turned off on my main DAW - the only time it's ever connected to the internet is for software authorisations and suchlike

On my other machine which is permanently connected to the net and has Sonar X2 installed, I just let Windows do what it wants to do, so it's easy to compare the performance of the 2 machines when running Sonar.

All I can say at the moment is that they are both running fine - the last Windows Updates have done nothing to upset Sonar in any way.
2012/11/20 04:32:19
Marcus Curtis
Bristol_Jonesey


My 2 cents:

I have automatic Windows Updates turned off on my main DAW - the only time it's ever connected to the internet is for software authorisations and suchlike

On my other machine which is permanently connected to the net and has Sonar X2 installed, I just let Windows do what it wants to do, so it's easy to compare the performance of the 2 machines when running Sonar.

All I can say at the moment is that they are both running fine - the last Windows Updates have done nothing to upset Sonar in any way.

Thanks bristol, I can now rule out the update and write all the problems off to bugs. I was just wondering if anyone else had the same problems. I don't know many people that would use two different audio interfaces and switch between them. I do it because I got different speakers routed to the other interface and I can hear what the mix sounds like on a different set of speakers.


Kind of hard to change now that it is greyed out all the time.
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