I'm normally just a lurker on these threads, but I'm frustrated enough to speak out this time.
 
I can't stand take lanes!!  I don't understand what the advantage is either.
 
List of annoyances:

• You cannot "rebuild" take lanes the way you could with layers.  If you create takes for different sections of a song (for example: takes for verse 1, stop then do takes for chorus 1, then takes for verse 2, etc), rebuilding layers allowed you to consolidate the takes onto the same layers.  This saved a ton of screen real estate.  The way I used to comp the takes would be to move my favorite parts to a new track above the layers or to the top layer inthe track.  Since take lanes can't "rebuild" and new takes always go in a new lane, I end up with so many lanes that I can't even get close to seeing my master comp track.
• I always end up with blank lanes that are labeled "T0".  What are these?  It seems like I get as many blank T0 lanes as I have takes! 
• When comping, I zoom in far enough to edit/cut the parts I like, so if I'm working on Chorus 1, I usually just see Chorus 1 takes.  When I first started using X2, I thought all the "blank" lanes above and below my "current" takes were empty (since I was used to rebuilding layers), but the reality was that they were takes from Verse 1 or Verse 2.  I deleted these lanes thinking they were blank like the T0 lanes and lost those takes!!! (I've since wised up and don't delete any non T0 lanes, but how many people have done this...?)
• With layers, I could quickly hold the left mouse button and swipe over all of the mute or solo buttons on the layers.  I have not figured out a way to do this with take lanes.  Is it possible?  I know take lanes mute all non-soloed lanes, but what if I want to compare two takes at the same time to see, for example, how close the timing is for each, or to use one of the lanes/layers as the master and listen to the comped work on that one flow into another lane? 
• Take lanes don't "squish up" enough.  Even main tracks allow you to collapse the track all the way to just one line or track space.  Take lanes don't collapse this far as still use more screen real estate.
• Takes lanes can't be resized individually.  Instead, they resize all the lanes at the same time!  This is really annoying when you're already trying to save screen real estate.

Thanks for reading this far.  Am I missing something?  How are take lanes an advantage?  At least with X1 and before, I could choose to to record takes in layers or separate tracks.  The separate tracks would be similar to take lanes, but without all the "weirdness" of take lanes.
 
I'm open to any and all suggestions on how to improve comping using take lanes, but as of now I just don't get it.  I think takes lanes is a huge step backwards when comping and really kills my workflow.

I have found 1 major advantage to having take lanes. Make dang sure you get the take right the first time so you don't have to use take lanes.

Other than that, they are not an improvement over layers imho.

Layers were too buggy for me.  Rebuilding caused them to arrange in some random order, sometimes with layers on top of layers.  Deleted layers sometimes showed up again after rebuilding.  There was no way to make any kind of notes on layers as to what the take was.

The best of all worlds would be to have the option of using layers or lanes and to fix the bugs in layers.

I have to admit I'm not liking the take lanes as well as I thought I would.  I think the development effort would have been better spent improving layers.  There are good aspects to lanes, but those same things could have been done in the existing layers method.

Dan

I'm with you on the workflow issues.  I may track in X1 and edit in X2 for that reason.  I think they will develop a rebuild function in Take Lanes eventually.  I bet it is in the works right now - hopefully

I had to just stop using the take lanes all together ....... You can't get the one your using as the visual one on top when lanes are hidden or collapsed ...  When I record muli takes they mostly lay on top of each other instead of going to new lanes . even if I add one and even arm that one it will lay on top of previous takes ,,,,,, I am not happy with those new take lanes . I gave it a good chance .

Just thinkin'. Aint it funny how you can join the forum 10 years ago and still be called a New Member?

New Poster might be more accurate.

Hmmm!

Yep!  That is funny.

soulicious
 
 
List of annoyances:

• You cannot "rebuild" take lanes the way you could with layers.  If you create takes for different sections of a song (for example: takes for verse 1, stop then do takes for chorus 1, then takes for verse 2, etc), rebuilding layers allowed you to consolidate the takes onto the same layers.  This saved a ton of screen real estate.  The way I used to comp the takes would be to move my favorite parts to a new track above the layers or to the top layer inthe track.  Since take lanes can't "rebuild" and new takes always go in a new lane, I end up with so many lanes that I can't even get close to seeing my master comp track.
• I always end up with blank lanes that are labeled "T0".  What are these?  It seems like I get as many blank T0 lanes as I have takes! 
• When comping, I zoom in far enough to edit/cut the parts I like, so if I'm working on Chorus 1, I usually just see Chorus 1 takes.  When I first started using X2, I thought all the "blank" lanes above and below my "current" takes were empty (since I was used to rebuilding layers), but the reality was that they were takes from Verse 1 or Verse 2.  I deleted these lanes thinking they were blank like the T0 lanes and lost those takes!!! (I've since wised up and don't delete any non T0 lanes, but how many people have done this...?)
• With layers, I could quickly hold the left mouse button and swipe over all of the mute or solo buttons on the layers.  I have not figured out a way to do this with take lanes.  Is it possible?  I know take lanes mute all non-soloed lanes, but what if I want to compare two takes at the same time to see, for example, how close the timing is for each, or to use one of the lanes/layers as the master and listen to the comped work on that one flow into another lane? 
• Take lanes don't "squish up" enough.  Even main tracks allow you to collapse the track all the way to just one line or track space.  Take lanes don't collapse this far as still use more screen real estate.
• Takes lanes can't be resized individually.  Instead, they resize all the lanes at the same time!  This is really annoying when you're already trying to save screen real estate. 

 
^^^^^^^^
This
 
Well thought out post Sol, I find myself agreeing with everything you've outlined here.
 
I used Rebuild Layers a lot as I comped my way through a track to, if nothing else, attempt to increase the height of each lane to make it easier to work on. And I know it could be a little flakey on occasion, but Ctrl+Z is your friend here. Layers with no maximum height restriction (which I've previously asked for in a feature request) would have been a perfect solution for me.
 
I too have been plagued by the 'T0' empty lane/s you mention - when it's happened to me I've usually seen two completely empty lanes. I haven't seen this mentioned before so I'm guessing it's not a bug, but maybe a peculiarity to certain systems or methods of working. Is anyone else seeing this?
 
Overall I liked the idea of replacing Layers with Lanes, but far from improving my workflow, it's definitely slowed up my workflow in this area by a big factor.
 
 

I was excited about both the layers and take lanes in X2 when I got into Sonar, but I quickly found that once you're done splicing things together it has taken more time than just recording it perfectly in one take.

I should have known, because it's always been the same way in the studio, if the take is not perfect, it's a do over, no mercy. Next time maybe you'll spend more time practicing your parts