Wow.

This is definitely a lot more amusing than watching Graham Norton.

Hell, we're nearly up to Julian Clary level

I seem to be having a hard time finding Mr. Mccue's Cakewalk approved tutorials in the Cake store.

Funny that.

mike_mccue


Hi Carl,

Thanks for providing some proof to support my thesis.


best regards,
mike

No worries I'm always happy to help although quite how increased functions equals less functionality is a little beyond me, but then again I'm not quite as clever as you.

What is it you can't do in lanes that you can in layers? Perhaps I can help you even more.

I don't want to know what he does in lanes, or alleys, or back streets

Actually don't want to know what anyone does in lanes, or alleys, or back streets

FastBikerBoy

fooman


Cake needs to do an in-depth tutorial video with lanes. I love layers. I work with them quickly. It's part of the reason I'm sticking with X1. Don't release a 'work in progress' (if that's true at all).

Apart from their position in relation to the main track, improved control buttons, diminshed height adjustment, missing rebuild layers function but ability to re-order layers - their in use methodology hasn't changed that much. They are layers by a different name with the differences noted earlier.

What part are you finding different?

I will preface this by stating that I have not used the lanes a whole lot.  Just used X2 enough to see bugs that forced me back to X1.  However, from my experience...


I HATE the fact that the track's waveform looks like a jumbled mess when you fold it and there are 3+ takes used to make up the track.  When you start slicing and dicing, the folded track becomes a mess.  Some people may not care, but I use visual cues when editing instruments.

Also, the T0 issue people were having is not good.  Extra clicks to delete un-used lanes.


I also find editing slower.  I slip edit a lot with tons of crossfades.  Harder to do with lanes IME.

fooman

FastBikerBoy

fooman


Cake needs to do an in-depth tutorial video with lanes. I love layers. I work with them quickly. It's part of the reason I'm sticking with X1. Don't release a 'work in progress' (if that's true at all).

Apart from their position in relation to the main track, improved control buttons, diminshed height adjustment, missing rebuild layers function but ability to re-order layers - their in use methodology hasn't changed that much. They are layers by a different name with the differences noted earlier.

What part are you finding different?

I will preface this by stating that I have not used the lanes a whole lot.  Just used X2 enough to see bugs that forced me back to X1.  However, from my experience...


I HATE the fact that the track's waveform looks like a jumbled mess when you fold it and there are 3+ takes used to make up the track.  When you start slicing and dicing, the folded track becomes a mess.  Some people may not care, but I use visual cues when editing instruments.

Yes that could definitely be tidier but was X1 much different? IIRC that just showed one layer as well in a collapsed state didn't it?

Also, the T0 issue people were having is not good.  Extra clicks to delete un-used lanes.

Yep that's a bug, seems to affect it only when take lanes are closed or at least I haven't seen any while recording with lanes open .

I also find editing slower.  I slip edit a lot with tons of crossfades.  Harder to do with lanes IME.

I don't know about crossfading being harder, it's impossible at the minute as the crossfade tool is broken.

Bugs aside there isn't much difference in method though and several improvements. I like being able to make notes in the lane, the mute & solo buttons are much easier to hit and I personally prefer the click drag to rearrange rather than the "Auto jumble" function. A "rebuild function" that actually works in a logical, user configurable way would definitely be a welcome addition though.

I think once the wrinkles are ironed out they will be a big improvement - though time will tell I guess.

The only thing I don't like about them is the inability to size them to whatever height I want

Other than that they're fine

Yeah... again I'll say I'd really like the collapsed tracks to be more sensible. We should be able to bring the takes we want to the top and view/edit them easily. As far as traditional cross fades I'm not even sure how that would even be done with lanes as they are but in my case it doesn't matter because like I said, overlapping takes on the same track do something wacky to the audio. Is anyone else hearing that? I don't remember it being like that with X1. 

For me, the most important factor is the 'why' I use Lanes or Layers, as opposed to using separate tracks.

And sadly, for the way I work, the single most important feature for me is no longer in Lanes, but I used it a lot in Layers, and that is the Rebuild function.

Let me explain why.
 
Lets assume I'm recording a 32 bar guitar solo. Unless it's a passage I know off by heart, there's a good chance that it's not going to get laid down successfully in one take. Therefore I'm going to have to do some comping at some stage. My approach may be dissimilar to how some of you might accomplish this. I know some like to record the whole solo a number of times and then use comping to piece together the best parts, and I know some like to punch record to correct the parts they might have misplayed.
 
My modus operandi is slightly different. If I know I'm going to struggle to play the whole passage, I'll break it up into comfortable phrases and record them separately. Comping then allows me to trim and edit each clip as I assemble the jigsaw that is the complete solo. The most convenient method of doing this for me is to use Lanes or Layers (especially as in most of my templates, I have my tracks already set up with pre-assigned Pro Channel and VST effects, as well as panning, levels etc).
 
In the interest of keeping the project 'tidy' and easier to manage, the Rebuild feature is ideal for my purposes. As I delete bits and pieces off the individual clips I've recorded, rebuilding the track does this for me.
 
Here's an example of how the same solo looks in X2 Lanes and X1 Layers after comping.
 
In X2 Lanes:
 

 
 
Even when I now trim off the unwanted muted parts I'm still stuck with the same amount of Lanes:
 

 
 
Contrast this with the same project in X1.
 
Even before I trim off the muted parts, Rebuild gives me a much tidier view of the track:
 

 
 
And once I do trim them off, I end up with this:
 

 
 
 
So, with all the undoubtable benefits of Lanes over Layers, a Rebuild Lanes feature would make it perfect for me.