2016/04/19 09:02:50
Mesh
I've asked my buddy to send me the specs on his Mac......although he'd liked to record music, I know he won't want to invest a lot of $$ into this (at least right now) and most likely will want something that's:
 
1) easy to set up
2) inexpensive
3) very easy to learn
 
Just briefly Googling DAW software, Reaper and Fruitloops seems to fit the bill...yes?
Also, if he has an older Mac (G3 or G4), can he use Garage Band and get good audio results? (if yes, then he only needs a decent Mic & audio interface right??) 
 
I'm trying to keep it simple as possible for him until he gets his feet wet.......and then he can make the choice of getting a better featured DAW if necessary.
 
(I'll suggest Bootcamp to him and see if he's willing to go that route, but would like to have all the best available options before suggesting anything).
 
 
 
2016/04/19 09:29:46
ProjectM
I wouldn't consider Fruity Loops if he wants to record guitar and vocals primarily. It can be done, but it's much easier in other DAWs that cost the same or less - for example Reaper.
 
They only spec this: "Compatibility: OS X 10.9 or later" on the Garageband product page. If his Mac can run this, he can try that. He might even have it installed already. If not, he should find it in the AppStore. If he have one of the old PowerPC-macs then I think he might be out of luck for any DAW unless he find something vintage ;)
2016/04/19 09:39:12
Mesh
ProjectM
I wouldn't consider Fruity Loops if he wants to record guitar and vocals primarily. It can be done, but it's much easier in other DAWs that cost the same or less - for example Reaper.
 
They only spec this: "Compatibility: OS X 10.9 or later" on the Garageband product page. If his Mac can run this, he can try that. He might even have it installed already. If not, he should find it in the AppStore. If he have one of the old PowerPC-macs then I think he might be out of luck for any DAW unless he find something vintage ;)


I know he does have Garageband (coz he said he recorded some guitar via the onboard mic.....but, there was a lot of noise picked up). I don't know much about Garageband........can it produce (record/mix) fairly decent sounding audio? or is it very limited in doing that?
 
Thanks Maurice, I'll cross out Fruitloops and keep Reaper in mind.....
2016/04/19 09:53:24
ProjectM
For your convenience, here's the link to the Garageband pages: http://www.apple.com/mac/garageband/
 
As you can see, it's fairly simmilar to Sonar interms of the linear timeline and track headers with Mute, Solo and Arm buttons. And it has pretty much the same audio engine as Logic so it should be no troubles in terms of audio quality as long as you have a decent interface. It works well with my MOTU Ultralite MK(something) but I think it can only record one mono track at a time or one stereo track. I'm not at my mac now so I can test for you. It also has a lot of virtual instruments and effects built in and is made to be easy for newbies. I would say it is the easiest and most affordable way to get started on a mac but the logic upgrade path would be to logic - which is a pretty decent kit anyway ;) GB projects can be opened directly in Logic if that ever becomes interesting.
 
Reaper is also a good choice I assume with a HUGE community for support and tips. IRC, there's a pretty decent intro level version of StudioOne too?
2016/04/19 10:16:34
Mesh
Thanks Maurice!! I appreciate the insight.
2016/04/19 10:18:52
ProjectM
My pleasure, best of luck!
2016/04/19 15:52:20
tlw
I second the advice that he should start by trying Garageband.

It's aimed at DAW beginners but can still produce reasonable results, although the tools and options available are limited. Which is probably no bad thing for a DAW beginner. It's installed on modern Macs by default and can be downloaded from the app store for free if it isn't already there or he's deleted it in the past. It also integrates well with Logic, which can open Garageband projects and even defaults on installation to resemble Garageband and with all Logic's advanced stuff hidden,

As for noise, etc. that'll be the same problem no matter which DAW. Built-in mics tend to be a little noisy to very noisy on any computer, and guitars tend to be noisy... A decent inexpensive interface will help, and so long as it supports Core Audio (almost all do) it should give low latency out of the box - no need to tune OS X, no need for ASIO drivers and all the other stuff that we go through with Windows. If he gets an interface with ASIO drivers he can always use it if he decides to switch to Windows and Sonar at some point.

If he had a PC I'd suggest without any hesitation at all that he tries a trial copy of Sonar. Since he doesn't have a Windows PC his zero-cost option is to try Garageband and see how he gets on. All DAWs (with the exception of Live) have a lot in common in terms of interface, what they do etc. and experience on one usually translates to others. Audio recording and engineering principles are the same no matter which software you use.

The one thing I think is a downside to Logic is that many of the supplied plugins aren't as good as Sonar's. The synths are good, the compressors are OK and the eq is well, a standard issue one of the type found in all DAWs. The "effects" end of things, such as modulation plugins and delays, is better covered by Sonar. Third party plugs can fill all the gaps of course, but add substantially to the cost if you're not happy with those bundled with Logic. How Logic handles cpu threading when monitoring via Logic can be a pest as well. Amplitube alone almost brings my i7 MacBook Pro to its knees because Logic pushes it all through one core which hits 100% unless latency is set rather high. My sig PC hardly notices it running in Sonar.

Edited to add a PS. If he's using a power PC Mac it is going to be seriously old, in computer terms it's an antique. I know a couple of people who still use them amd swear by them, but it's more to do with their personal "religious" opposition to changing how anything was done over a decade ago than anything sensible. Like they think the web was perverted from the oroginal intent and ruined when pictures arrived... Let's just say they're a bit weird.
2016/04/19 16:21:32
Mesh
Excellent info there tlw!! Thank you sir, I appreciate all the details. AFIK, his family basically uses the Mac for just normal day to day activities and some minor video conversions (iPhone to Youtube). I did LOL at your last comment....
 
 I wasn't sure which interface is best for him and did look at what Focusrite had to offer on the Mac side.....without knowing the actual specs and budget (which he said he'll forward to me tonight), it's a bit tough to know what to look for.
I'll post back once I find out what we're working with...
2016/04/19 16:46:17
bapu

2016/04/19 17:05:17
kennywtelejazz
I saw this thread the other day and I wanted to see where it went before I said anything in it .
My impression then and now is still the same …
Your friend would do well to get a hold of a decent USB interface first so he could record before he spends money on any thing else …( he may not need anything else if he learns his way around G B )
 
all the best ,
 
Kenny
 
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