• SONAR
  • Sharing a midi device between Sonar X1 and another audio program not possible
2012/11/15 05:37:41
windplayer
Hello! My Problem is, that I have two audio programs (Sonar X1 and a harmonizer [realtime harmonizer]) which should share the midi-input of the same midi device. But if I use one program, the other can not use the midi device any more at the same time. It can not be chosen in Sonar X1, if opened in the other program. I know other midi-devices which offer more midi-in ports. Is there a possibility to separate/split the midi-in port of a midi-device in two midi-ins so every program can use one? Or do you know if Sonar X1 is able to master this problem in another way?
2012/11/15 05:54:23
Muziekschuur at home
I'm not sure I understand. You have a midi box wich is attached over usb to your computer. That midi box should be visible in Sonar. The hardware harmonizer is attached to the midibox with midi cables. The in and outputs of the harmonizer are connected to what? And what else is configured?

If you are asking questions this way, do you know what you are doing? I assume you are a novice with a room full of recently acquired gear? If so, there is a steep learningcurve ahead.
2012/11/15 08:33:57
rivers88
windplayer


Hello! My Problem is, that I have two audio programs (Sonar X1 and a harmonizer [realtime harmonizer]) which should share the midi-input of the same midi device. But if I use one program, the other can not use the midi device any more at the same time. It can not be chosen in Sonar X1, if opened in the other program. I know other midi-devices which offer more midi-in ports. Is there a possibility to separate/split the midi-in port of a midi-device in two midi-ins so every program can use one? Or do you know if Sonar X1 is able to master this problem in another way?

It sounds like you need a multi-client driver for your MIDI interface (there may be a 3rd-party solution to help you out).
In lieu of that, you might be able to setup a MIDI-thru track inside X1 that will forward the MIDI info to your harmonizer app. 
 
Not in front of the home PC, so can't offer specifics, but these might be starting points for you...
2012/11/15 08:48:18
rabeach
windplayer


Hello! My Problem is, that I have two audio programs (Sonar X1 and a harmonizer [realtime harmonizer]) which should share the midi-input of the same midi device. But if I use one program, the other can not use the midi device any more at the same time. It can not be chosen in Sonar X1, if opened in the other program. I know other midi-devices which offer more midi-in ports. Is there a possibility to separate/split the midi-in port of a midi-device in two midi-ins so every program can use one? Or do you know if Sonar X1 is able to master this problem in another way?

Sounds like you need a Loopback MIDI Driver do a google search there are several free ones. Sometimes referred to as a virtual midi driver.
2012/11/15 12:22:14
slartabartfast

MidiYoke used to do something like that, but they have not kept it up with newer operating systems. 

I have not used this, but it may be what you are looking for, but again latest support is listed as Vista:

http://nerds.de/en/loopbe30.html

And this may be useful, but the description on the site is too sketchy to say much:

http://www.tobias-erichsen.de/software/loopmidi.html

2012/11/15 12:35:31
rabeach
slartabartfast


MidiYoke used to do something like that, but they have not kept it up with newer operating systems. 

I have not used this, but it may be what you are looking for, but again latest support is listed as Vista:

http://nerds.de/en/loopbe30.html

And this may be useful, but the description on the site is too sketchy to say much:

http://www.tobias-erichsen.de/software/loopmidi.html

I have loopbe installed on win 7 64 bit have not noticed any issues so far.
2012/11/15 14:26:38
windplayer
I have a virtual midi cable. That does not help in this case. But the advice with the multiclient driver could be helpful. I will try that.
2012/11/15 15:31:16
rabeach
windplayer


I have a virtual midi cable. That does not help in this case. But the advice with the multiclient driver could be helpful. I will try that.



I guess I misunderstood your issue then I thought you needed to connect the midi-out from sonar to the midi-in of the harmonizer in real time. Hope you find a solution.

2012/11/15 17:04:17
cornieleous
Muziekschuur at home


I'm not sure I understand. You have a midi box wich is attached over usb to your computer. That midi box should be visible in Sonar. The hardware harmonizer is attached to the midibox with midi cables. The in and outputs of the harmonizer are connected to what? And what else is configured?

If you are asking questions this way, do you know what you are doing? I assume you are a novice with a room full of recently acquired gear? If so, there is a steep learningcurve ahead.
What a pompous, unhelpful, arrogant post full of assumptions.
 
 
 
Moving on - for the OP, you should be able to achieve this using Midi Yoke / Midi Ox:
http://www.midiox.com/
 
Allegedly, some users report they have gotten these out dated programs to work in Win7/x64 by installing in compatibility mode. I cannot vouch for that as I have not used either since Windows XP.
 
2012/11/15 17:53:30
tlw
Those saying a multi-client driver are right, and it's the best solution if one is available.

Otherwise, using MIDIox as a virtual splitter seems to work OK for me on Win7 64bit with UAC disabled.
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