42% of statistics are useless

I'm no good at maths but doesn't that mean.... 58% are useFULL lol. but seriously daw benches are like 3d mark or sisoft sandra scores. They mean very little in the real world. When you get such differences in results with the same specd hardware. a new driver comes out for chipset X and there is like 10-15 % increase in performance KEWL... 1 week later you realise an equivalent decrease in stability . LOL gotta love WIN PC land it's like so wrong that it's right.

AS LONG AS THEIR IS NO MAC's OR THEIR USERS IN SIGHT I"M HAPPY :P (sorry jay,tris and bec you 3 are the exeption)

Here's a nice set of benchmarks made by Vin where he discloses that most I/O gear on the market has a differing latency than is reported to your DAW.

What does this mean? It means that most gear and setups do not actually automatically overdub in synchronization without some manual over ride compensation. Luckily SONAR has the possibility of augmenting the automatic PDC with manual compensation. You just have to know to make use of it. 

It's the type of cool little detail that used to be discussed here regularly but is rarely mentioned by the current generation of, self mocking, benchmark-phobic, SONAR flag bearers.

If you think you hear that the playback isn't quite as well timed as the performance... well, there may be a very good reason and a guy like Vin and his penchant for bench marking may be able to explain it.



http://www.dawbench.com/audio-int-lowlatency2.htm



http://www.oblique-audio.com/free/rtlutility


I remember wondering why my music would drift in my *PDC* install of SONAR... and then I learned why and now my music doesn't drift when I build a multi track production.

I'm glad Vin is still working hard at it... guys like Vin are where the vital info comes from.













If you want to read the chart below, you have to open the image in another tab or window. It's full of detailed info:

It's certainly full of something.

:-)

You might learn something Karl.

Don't be afraid of it... 




I asked about real life total round trip latency on the ZED in another thread here... and not a single person choose to answer.

It appears, from your response, that you wish to appear as if you do not care about a stat like that.

I wonder if anyone even knows what the latency on the ZED really is, AND/OR if their DAW actually synchronizes the audio as most end users expect it to be.

My guess is that if anything that I have just discussed made any sense to you... you'd be off checking your latency instead of attempting to seem humorously dismissive.

:-)



best regards,
mike

mike_mccue


You might learn something Karl.

Don't be afraid of it... 

I'm always learning have no fear.

I asked about real life total round trip latency on the ZED in another thread here... and not a single person choose to answer.

It appears, from your response, that you wish to appear as if you do not care about a stat like that.

Not only do I appear not to care, but................. brace yourself for the shock........ I actually don't care.

I bought it, plugged it in, set it up so it works without hassles and use it. I'm far too busy making music and having fun to get bogged down in what is to me a completely meaningless bunch of figures.

Life's far too short to take it as seriously as you do Mike, if you want some really good advice, chill out a bit and stop trying to convince others (or me at least) that I need to be as uptight as you are. I'm living the dream, making enough money for my needs and having fun along the way.

One day it'll all be over and I'm pretty sure when my end does come I'm not going to be thinking I wish I'd have spent more time trying to find out if my chosen interface's claimed round trip latency is as accurate as claimed or if they got it wrong by 3 or 4 msecs. Fill your boots if you want but don't expect me to join you.

I turn it on, I can tell which input is which, and it works. That's plenty enough for me thanks. If it ever stops working I'll either buy another one or change it for something different.

I wonder if anyone even knows what the latency on the ZED really is, AND/OR if their DAW actually synchronizes the audio as most end users expect it to be.

I have no idea, neither am I particularly bothered about the latency, it does what I need it to do and that's what I care about. According to the posts of yours that I've read, I seem to be having a much better experience with Sonar than you are so perhaps that's why it doesn't bother me quite so much. Perhaps if I was having your experiences I would be a little more concerned, or more likely considering another DAW and/or interface. I certainly wouldn't be posting the same old over and over for years.

I can report however that it most definitely does synchronize audio perfectly well. Wouldn't be much of an audio interface if it didn't would it?

My guess is that if anything that I have just discussed made any sense to you... you'd be off checking your latency instead of attempting to seem humorously dismissive.

Nope........ see above for details. Even if I did run off and check and then post it back here I've seen enough from you to know that you will poo poo almost anything I'm likeliest to post and dismiss it as lies. We've been there with track count in the TV remember? I think that says far more about you than it does me.

My advice to you Mike is to chill out and have a little fun, life ain't no dress rehearsal - live life, don't waste it getting hung up on stuff that really isn't as important as you like to think it is.

Hi Mike,
So I'm a bit hesitant to comment here because I don't want to wade into disagreements, but I did at least want to say thanks for the link. I'm kinda hung over today and had nothing better to do so I followed the link, calculated my RTL for my Lynx gear and found that the HW reported value was off by 1 sample at 48khz, or 2.08e-5 seconds (.0208ms). 

To Karls point, that's a hugely meaningless correction in practical terms, but it was kinda some good nerdy fun.

Now I'll just wait for the inevitable comment along the lines of "dude, that's like 21 microseconds. I'm a drummer. I could totally have heard that."





Dean

I'm living the dream, making enough money for my needs and having fun along the way. One day it'll all be over and I'm pretty sure when my end does come I'm not going to be thinking I wish I'd have spent more time trying to find out if my chosen interface's claimed round trip latency is as accurate as claimed or if they got it wrong by 3 or 4 msecs.

:-)

rabeach

I'm living the dream, making enough money for my needs and having fun along the way. One day it'll all be over and I'm pretty sure when my end does come I'm not going to be thinking I wish I'd have spent more time trying to find out if my chosen interface's claimed round trip latency is as accurate as claimed or if they got it wrong by 3 or 4 msecs.

:-)

Knowing my luck that'll be the question that I have to know the answer to to gain entry to some musical nirvana after life.

Only if you're being judged by The Count from Sesame Street Karl.

"THREE millisecod of round trip latency! FOUR milliseconds of round trip latency! AH HA HA HA HA!!!"

Dean