https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=A2oirimH9-A

I have to agree with the sentiment about this being an extremely interesting thread. And very timely for me...

I was happy in my Sonar world (and still am) when one of my favorite guitarists (Pat Metheny) released his Orchestrion project DVD a few weeks ago. In the 'Thanks To...' portion he credited an individual from a competing DAW developer (Dennis DeSantis at Ableton). That led me check out their stuff and ultimately I popped for product...a product I had previously pretty much dismissed.

As I said at the outset I'm happy in my Sonar world and imagine I will continue to be. That said, it is eye opening to see what other capabilities other manufacturers are highlighting. So now I'm using two DAWs and I look forward to Live 9 and 64 bit rewire. My goal would be to rewire it into Sonar to take advantage of both worlds at the same time.

In the end I think we have the best of worlds happening. Competitors trying to outdo each other in the quest for our purchasing dollars. That can only portend to increasingly great tools in the future. Looking forward to that.

BTW: If you are unfamiliar with Orchestrion it is basically a soleniod and pneumatically driven ensemble of over 40 instruments (I quit counting at the concert) all driven by one guitarist and a computer. Ableton Live is handling all the routing and signaling.

Regards,

dude...goldendoodle here...best family dog in the world. funny how they think they're a little poodle but they're really 60 pounds. yup my goldendoodle is.

 
Ha, small world...   xxx-doodles are the best for non-shedding personality, I completely agree.   And having one at 40 lbs and one at 90 lbs, they certainly aren't small when stepping on feet or jumping up on the bed.  
 
 
 
 
 
What were we talking about again? 

 There sure are a lot of folks I see in this thread that I knew so much better 8 years ago (maybe 9..I like 8 better)when we were all calling this forum our virtual homes. many have moved on and many are still here. Many have created entirely new forums just to hang with people they met here, I belong to a couple of them. Great folks. My thought throughout this entire thread, which I may add is very funny, is this; Why do you all do this every single time? Every time there is a forum suicide (I have done a couple) a huge percentage of the forum come out to give the person the finger and state why "they will find out the grass isn't greener" or "blah blah"...WHY??????????? Let them go!! Close the thread, and walk away. Who cares? 90% will be back before ya know it with new lessons learned. I just can't fathom how some of you are still jumping in after so many years and fighting the good fight just as emotional as ever. Stop it and don't even open the next "Goodbye" thread. Better yet go read what my old buddy Modbod said in his wise and quite appropriate post. (first page of this thread post 26),http://forum.cakewalk.com/fb.ashx?m=2714785 Good to see you Dave. Just wanted to say all that so maybe the next dumb "Goodbye cruel DAW" thread grows cobwebs from lack of interest. THAT would get to a forum suicide victim far greater than the "OH YEA? Well let me tell you" crap you all spew out. Have a nice day!

 I think ththese threads are what keep me interested (Barely) .
It's REALLY IRONIC that I used to be a dumbass fanboi ranting at people that dissed Sonar/Cakewalk.

NOW I just want about 8 certain features of live IN  SONARx3 and MAX/MSP intergration. PLUS the SYNC issues FIXED !!
 

I am done with Cakewalk too.  Decided after X1 they are no longer willing or capable of producing a DAW for professional composers.  My reasons have to do mainly with the staff view and their long-standing policy of not fixing bugs, and adding new ones in X1 and X2.   Plus, I literally hate the the interface, it is truly ugly.  The pre-X1 interface with its flexible layouts was simply faster and just as customizable as is "skylight" or whatever it's called.   It's bad enough that Cakewalk is removing features (color customization, staff view track pane active track selection, toolbars) but the fact that a software company would still leave remnants of these features in the software but without any real functionality (as in the appearance that colors can still be customized when most cannot) tells me these folks are no longer serious software producers. 
 
What Cakewalk is apparently doing is marketing to the much larger market share of musical amateurs, people with no classical training, and who don't read and write music.   Look at Digital Performer--this company recognizes the importance of the staff view to classical composers and film composers.   Their new upcoming release for Windows is looking mighty good, even though at present Sonar 7 is doing everything I need it to do, more or less.
 
When questioned, every Cakewalk release has the same excuse:  We couldn't justify working on the staff view because we have to add one more EQ, or one more compressor, or one more software synth and so on.  I got news for Cakewalk--Pro producers who know what they're doing use 3rd party signal processing because they're generally much better (like Ozone 5 advanced for example).  Here comes the flamers and fanboys.   But I am not listening.  I am listening to my own experience as that is the only thing I am an authority on.   And I trust it..
 
JG
www.jerrygerber.com
 
 
 
 
 

Good luck on your musical journey jsg. Bye bye.

Bye ...see ya in 6 months ;)

Here come the Fanbois
I wish you good luck Jerry, please keep us informed of your new DAW experiences. 

jsg

My reasons have to do mainly with the staff view and their long-standing policy of not fixing bugs, and adding new ones in X1 and X2.   

It's bad enough that Cakewalk is removing features (color customization, staff view track pane active track selection, toolbars) but the fact that a software company would still leave remnants of these features in the software but without any real functionality (as in the appearance that colors can still be customized when most cannot) tells me these folks are no longer serious software producers.  

 
What Cakewalk is apparently doing is marketing to the much larger market share of musical amateurs, 
 
When questioned, every Cakewalk release has the same excuse:  We couldn't justify working on the staff view because we have to add one more EQ, or one more compressor, or one more software synth and so on.  I got news for Cakewalk--Pro producers who know what they're doing use 3rd party signal processing because they're generally much better (like Ozone 5 advanced for example).  
 

Well fanbois, like it or not but Jerry is RIGHT!
I think it’s time to make a new post for “EVERYONE” to list all the bugs that were never fixed, then send it to “ROLAND” as an open letter. Including older bugs like the TTS-1 distorting at 24/96 kHz. Which I reported to them Oct. 2010 when I used sonar 6 but this issue was never addressed by cake and still remains in X2. 

All the best to you jsg! and don’t forget to write home occasionally to inform us of your new DAW adventures. IMHO if cake retains it current policies you along with others will be the start of a tsunami exodus. 

You know Glen when you call people "fanbois" you insult the vast membership of this forum.

But think about this, without the "fanbois" here who would offer you or anyone help? 

I find it stunning that anyone here that has ever ask for help can feel free to use that term. 

Not only is it wrong but needlessly upsetting.