Beepster


 Man... I've learned SO much in that past 5 months from this forum. Even if Sonar was a total piece of crap (which it isn't) this forum makes the purchase WAAAAY worth the money. I've said it a couple times but the sheer reputation of this forum and Cakewalk service that gets talked about online was big deciding factor for me buying... and it's all true. ;-)

You know, I may have switched platform/DAWs, but I still believe that I've learned most of what I know about digital audio reading my first Cakewalk manual and, mostly, hanging on these boards. 


One of the things I used to do in the later years was to come here, read the post about issues and try to reproduce them - in the best cases, I could confirm an issue or help, but I pretty much always learned something. It's like giving guitar lessons - you learn as much as you teach. 

@Rain... Totally and the Techniques tab is off the chain even though I don't mosey down there as often as I should. Still trying to get a handle on the actual software for now I guess but even up here there is just a ton of general technique stuff getting tossed around I had no idea about when I started. Hard to believe it's only been 5 months. Surprised my brain hasn't started leaking out my ears from overload. lulz...

Rain and Beepster this forum is better for you both being on it. You both offer a lot for me. You both have an uplifting way of posting that makes us all better. 


Rain I too have cut my teeth on this forum. I have learned so much that its like an education. I knew MIDI well long ago but when I started with digital audio this forum and the newsgroup before it held my hand and led me to the promised land. 

Sure it was never the only source but its one that holds tons of heavy duty knowledge within it. I only wish one could find it. LOL!!!! 

P.S. I was also on the Emagic newsgroup too. Logic holds a special place for me.

Cubase is a fine program that I gave up on. LOL. Sonar was just so much easier to do stuff with.  

Well that tears it... GROUP HUG!!!

;-)

Beepster


Well that tears it... GROUP HUG!!!

;-)

Thats fine with me Beep as long as the hugger is female. 

Linear Phase


IMHO..   Cubase now has, "an awesomely fantastic looking GUI."    What's under the hood, is the same exact program that crashed a lot at Versions SX 1, 2, 3..  and versions, 1, 2, 3, 4...  After 4, I do not know if it crashed a lot, but I am guessing, "it still crashes a lot."

I wouldn't want to be a software developer these days.


I'm always reminded of one of the first - if not THE first product - which NI created, called Generator, back in the late 90's. The ancestor of Reaktor. For a while afterwards, it felt like all of the products NI was selling and becoming famous for, like Pro 5 or B4, were basically stripped from Generator/Reaktor and re-packaged individually w/ a nice GUI. And we all bought in, of course. It made life so much easier.

Incidentally, Cubase was one of the first DAW to offer default compression and EQ on every channel. Cubase VST 3.5 if I'm not mistaken. It wasn't modeled after anything, but the principle was there. Same for Tape Saturation. In Cubase 5, you even had the option to record your audio in either 16, 24 32 bit or True Tape mode. But their mixer looked better back then. ;)

When I saw Cubase 7 announced yesterday, my initial thought was this will hurt the wallet. But after I watched the vids and read about it on the web site, it's almost as if I dodged a bullet. It sure improves on the workflow, but Steinberg had a lot of catching-up to do.

Oddly enough, Logic did the opposite. We used to have EQ controls and compression parameters (IIRC) built into the console. Now it's all plug-ins - but that compression plug-in stand toes to toes w/ the best emulations of FET, Optical, VCA and others...

No dice, but I promise not to grind too much.

So have we successfully derailed this thread yet?

I think yes.

;-p

It would be easy for me to mock this thread and the OP, yet I've been in your shoes being very vocally dissatisfied when X1 came out. I didn't like it so I found a place to go, in my case back to Sonar 8.5.3. I could enumerate the reasons I find Sonar 8.5.3 superior, but that is off point and few ever actually bothered to customize 8.5.3 enough to get it anyway. The bottom line is that you need to find an environment that works for your needs. You don't always need the newest and flashiest application or plugin - find what works for YOU and get to making music. I wish you the best and hope you find your solution.

How come everyone that gives up on Sonar, writes a Dear John letter and gets a ton of posts that serve no purpose only to question or ridicule? In case you hadn't noticed, she said "goodbye" and that was it. Is it because we're all guys and can't handle a breakup? Let her go, and when she realizes she's made a mistake, she'll be back. Otherwise, let her go. A breakup is never easy, but sometimes its best for BOTH parties. 

Peace!

John


Rain and Beepster this forum is better for you both being on it. You both offer a lot for me. You both have an uplifting way of posting that makes us all better. 


Rain I too have cut my teeth on this forum. I have learned so much that its like an education. I knew MIDI well long ago but when I started with digital audio this forum and the newsgroup before it held my hand and led me to the promised land. 

Sure it was never the only source but its one that holds tons of heavy duty knowledge within it. I only wish one could find it. LOL!!!! 

P.S. I was also on the Emagic newsgroup too. Logic holds a special place for me.

Cubase is a fine program that I gave up on. LOL. Sonar was just so much easier to do stuff with.  

Same here, John. 


I remember turning to the old newsgroup in despair the first time I considered hooking up the old Akai XR-10 to the PC via MIDI when I realized the creative potential this would unleash. I had read the manual - including the very arid parts about SysEx and NRPN - but until then, MIDI was a forbidden land... I knew nothing about that stuff. 


But help was there, and later here on these forums. So much that 90% of my productions are now MIDI based and I get to introduce people to that stuff... And a lot of people had to answer my newbie questions along the way. 


During the last holidays, I helped one of my wife's friend w/ his new PC/Sonar rig, and for every question I answered, I remembered how these forums helped me.


Incidentally, the first time I managed to help someone from the newsgroup w/ Pro Audio and the console's signal flow was a direct result of having read the manual so often. I've kept that first Cakewalk manual nearby in the studio until I moved in 2008. And hooked up many folks w/ Sonar since. 


I'd certainly have X2 installed if it was available on my platform.