I'm adding midi trax and would like to side chain to duck a guitar under them.
One MIDI track was made thru the Browser and one was added later thru Right click on the Track area.
They are both using the TTS1 for harmony saxes. So far so good.

The first one has a little Keyboard Icon and on the audio tab I can "Send" to the Comp on the Guitar which works for ducking but the second has a MIDI cable plug Icon and has no Audio or Midi tab and no " Send" area?
Thanks

You set the send up on the audio (or instrument as Sonar calls it) track. That's the output of the TTS-1.

The MIDI track is the TTS-1 input track and as it's a MIDI track doesn't have any "sends". It only carries MIDI data which isn't audio.

To use two sends from two different instruments using one instance of TTS-1 you'll need to use an additional audio out from the TTS and assign the channels as required.

You can access the channel to audio output assignements from the "System" page within TTS-1. It has a total of four outputs and any of the channels can be assigned to any of those four outputs from that page.

So I should have set up the second track as a second instance of TTS1 rather than as just making a new MIDI track?
I am going to change track 2 to another instrument in any case but thought I'd be able to do that with one instance of TTS1 by assigning it to channel 2?

You could do that but as TTS-1 has 16 channels you can just use the one instance.

If you have the SWA Complete X2 video this is covered in the "MIDI synths" chapter at 3:14:17 if not here it is in text version................


I'll assume you already have TTS-1 loaded with with it's ouput set to TTS-1 and an instrument track with it's input set to Output one of the TTS-1. (Instrument tracks are just audio tracks with their input set from a soft synth)

I'll also assume that you are using MIDI channel one on the MIDI track.


To add a second instrument.........

1. Insert a MIDI track I'll refer to that as "MIDI 2"
2. Set it's output to the TTS-1
3. Change its channel to channel 2
4. Set it's input to your keyboard/controller
5. Insert an audio track - I'll refer to that as "Instrument track 2"
6. Set the input of that to "TTS-1 Output two" (Mono or stereo as required) that makes the audio track an instrument track. (Simple instrument tracks (SITs) are just both those combined into one.)
7. Make sure that "Instrument track 2" has its output set to your master.
8. Open TTS-1 and change the patch on channel two to the instrument you want to use
9. Click on the "System" button (towards the right)
10. In that window click on the "Option" button that should open the Options dialogue with two pages.
11. In the "Output Assign" page make sure that "Use multiple outputs" is selected.
12. Go to "PART 2" (For "part" think channel) and change the output to "2"
13. Close your way out.

Now when you have your original track in focus you should hear the instrument assigned to that channel through your original Instrument track.

Click on the track "MIDI 2" to put it in focus and you should now hear the instrument you've just set up in the steps above.

You'll be able to control it's output volume and add FX and sends (including your ducking or keying send) etc to "Instrument track 2". That will be completely independent of the other track that TTS-1 is using.

If you hear both tracks at the same time (which you may or may not want) it will be because you have clicked on the input echo button of a track.

You'll see that TTS-1 has four outputs so you can use that method to get independent audio control of four instruments if need be or of course assign more than one instrument to one output for layered sounds

Try that and if you need more help just post up.

Very clear point by point but the key board still plays channel 1 (piano) even tho I am on Midi 2 track( organ)
Perhaps I need to go back to your first assumption?

1."I'll assume you already have TTS-1 loaded 
(BROWER, +, INSERT SYNTH> TTS1> POPUP =SIMPLE INST TRACK, SYNTH PROPERTY PAGE, RECALL ASSIGNABLE CONTROLS,> OK> CREATES A TRACK)
with it's output set to TTS-1 
(THE CREATED TRACKS' OUTPUT(INSPECTOR VIEW) DOES NOT HAVE A TTS-1 OPTION, ONLY THE SOUND CARD AND MASTER & BUSSES)
and an instrument track with it's input set to Output one of the TTS-1.
(INPUT SET TO "ALL INPUTS, MIDI CH1") 

If you are hearing both piano and organ you probably have the input echo button on the track not in focus active.

If you are only hearing piano then you probably have the track input on MIDI channel 1 rather than omni which looks like that might be the case. Change the input to MIDI omni or Your keyboard-->Omni.

That should fix it.

Thanks FBB
Starting from scratch.
Install TTS1 from browser (+> Insert synth TTS-1)
It makes an instrument track that looks like an Audio track
On the Inspector View of the track, it sets "I" to Omni (on the drop down it shows"none" as selected and there are other choices of All Inputs, (my soundcard) and (my keyboard) as options and all have dropdowns that have "MIDI Omni, Midi ch 1,2,3 etc)
And "O" is set to master in the inspector. (no option for TTS1)
Master is set to my soundcard
It plays and records the piano which is channel 1 of TTS-1

Part 2
Per your points.
1. insert a midi track (rt clk in track view>insert midi, shows midi Icon, name it Midi 2 for reference)
2. Set output to TTS-1 (Done)
3. Change to CH 2 (In the Inspector there is a bar that replaced the Master bar and it has "snap to scale, quantize, arpeggiator etc. at the bottom it has a place to change to CH 2) (Done)
4.Set it's input to your keyboard/controller (so, back to the left bar, (change from "I"= Omni to "Alesis">Midi Omni)
5.Insert an audio track (rt click on Track pane header,  insert audio, call it Instrument 2)
6.Set the input of that to "TTS-1 Output two (done-Output 2 mono left)
7.Make sure that "Instrument track 2" has its output set to your master (done automatically)
8.Open TTS-1 and change the patch on channel two to the instrument you want to use (change ch 2 on TTS-1 GUI to organ)
9 thru 13 -set TTS1 System> Part 2 to Output 2- Mult. Outs checked(Done and closed)
Select Track 1, play keys, still hear piano as before
Select Track 2 (Midi2) play keys but only hear piano tho both meters working.
I really don't see where I'm screwing up.
Sorry for all the trouble.
Sigh.

Have a look in Preferences-->MIDI-->Playback & Recording--->Playback & check the "Always echo current input track" (or whatever it says) is checked.

When you have MIDI 2 in focus the input echo button on MIDI track one should not be lit. If it is turn it off and then switch focus back to MIDI 2.

Check that the "Instrument track 2" volume is turned up and also double check that TTS-1 channel 2 is set to a different instrument.

Just double checked my instructions in case I've missed something and they work here. It's hard to know why it isn't working.

"Always Echo" is on (did that a few days ago, trying to solve this)
Midi 2 echo is on when Midi 2 track is selected (has a little "A" embedded in it)
and Track 1 echo does go out when track 2 is selected.
Instrument track 2 is at "0"
TTS-1 channel 1 is Piano, Channel 2 is organ
The Ch 1 meter on the TTS is active even tho track Midi 2 is selected.
When track 1 is selected only that meter and TTS ch1 lite up.
When Track 2 (midi2) is selected, the meters on track Midi 2 AND the original Track 1 both lite up when a key is hit and I hear only the piano.