michael diemer
Yes, perhaps Justin will be the messiah we have been waiting for! 

I have loads of respect for Justin.
Messiah???  
No matter how talented a person... I think that's too great an expectation to place on one individual (or company).  
 
The issue with Linux is that there's no profit.  I say that with no emotion attached.
If Linux were the best equipped OS for running a modern DAW, I'd be there 100%.
In a business climate where every hour has to be spent wisely (to stay in business)... it's just not going to get thousands of man hours from the world's most talented/experienced developers.
That's a recipe for going out of business.
 
A lot of folks think running Linux (or OSX) would yield new levels of performance.
Try running OSX and Win10 on the same exact hardware... putting each under heavy load.
You might be surprised by the results.
 
While I'm getting off-subject, I never understood the attitude of Steve Jobs being treated like a deity.
Almost a cult like following...
He may have been a visionary... and a trail-blazer... but he was most definitely human.
Put his pants on one leg at a time... just like the rest of us.   
 
 

I've never understood the Jobs or Apple worship either.
 
Justin may not be a deity, but his apparent lack of lust for profits coupled with technical brilliance might give us something to use on a Linux platform.
 
I have no high performance expectations relative to Windows.  I *do* have expectations of a better model than MS is moving to.
 
Without a crystal ball I can't predict the future.  I do hope for some competition in the desktop DAW space though.

Jim Roseberry
A lot of folks think running Linux (or OSX) would yield new levels of performance.
Try running OSX and Win10 on the same exact hardware... putting each under heavy load.
You might be surprised by the results.

 
It is hard to find tests but the few I've seen where it was the same software (Cubase and Kontakt) both run on the same Mac, the Windows side killed it offering significantly higher polyphony at a given buffer level.

Sycraft
It is hard to find tests but the few I've seen where it was the same software (Cubase and Kontakt) both run on the same Mac, the Windows side killed it offering significantly higher polyphony at a given buffer level.

That's what we found as well...
While OSX El Capitan is leaner (and is sprite)... we found that heavier loads could be run under Win10.
 
Running VE Pro on said hardware (as a "slave" machine), the difference was significant.
 
With Sonar set to a 48-sample ASIO buffer size, under Win10, you could load a large piano library and gliss up/down the keyboard (with sustain pedal down) with zero glitches using a single buffer in VE Pro.
When the slave was running OSX, you could hear glitches in the audio much sooner.
 
Granted, this scenario is a torture test...
48-sample host ASIO buffer size... running a VE Pro slave at a single buffer (streaming audio back to the host over LAN).

Jim Roseberry

michael diemer
Yes, perhaps Justin will be the messiah we have been waiting for! 

I have loads of respect for Justin.
Messiah???  
No matter how talented a person... I think that's too great an expectation to place on one individual (or company).  
 
The issue with Linux is that there's no profit.  I say that with no emotion attached.
If Linux were the best equipped OS for running a modern DAW, I'd be there 100%.
In a business climate where every hour has to be spent wisely (to stay in business)... it's just not going to get thousands of man hours from the world's most talented/experienced developers.
That's a recipe for going out of business.
 
A lot of folks think running Linux (or OSX) would yield new levels of performance.
Try running OSX and Win10 on the same exact hardware... putting each under heavy load.
You might be surprised by the results.
 
While I'm getting off-subject, I never understood the attitude of Steve Jobs being treated like a deity.
Almost a cult like following...
He may have been a visionary... and a trail-blazer... but he was most definitely human.
Put his pants on one leg at a time... just like the rest of us.   
 
 

  Excellent post. That is the reality of Linux.  It's been tried on the consumer market and nothing but fail.  I wish it wasn't that way.  Where the Linux community is delusional is they have no idea how technically challenged end users can be.  Their websites are not easy to use and often annoying when looking for solutions in a timely manner. I've tried riding the Linux wagon.  It will arrive when my mom can run it.
 Some have asked the FL Studio developers for a Linux version and their reply was similar to Jim's. Funny even thought they are working on a Mac release one of them hit the nail on the head about PC and Mac users.  Mac users blame it on their self when something doesn't work right and PC users always blame it on Microsoft when something doesn't work.  Easy solution for the latter is to play a lot of Ubisoft games.
 
 
 

For me, class compliant interfaces make a huge difference. It makes using Linux to make recordings simple.
 
There is UbuntuStudio.org making a nice low latency build.
 
I find Windows less reliable for tracking than Linux. For me, my biggest issue with Linux is that I can't use RME DigiCheck or TotalMix on it.
 
I'm listening to my latest mix and posting this from UbuntuStudio, btw.
 
This is a video that shows how to get Melda Productions plugins working on Linux. I do use these plugins.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qGUyLFF0nIs
 
I boot linux to a removable USB Device like this
http://smile.amazon.com/Samsung-Portable-500GB-External-MU-PS500B/dp/B00RWXVMRS?ie=UTF8&keywords=usb%20solid%20state%20drive&qid=1461028599&ref_=sr_1_3&s=pc&sr=1-3
They go on sale sometimes.
 
I have made several for friends and cousins and my kid. She boots to Linux sometimes. Carries the drive with her when she'll have access to a laptop but doesn't want to carry her own. You can plug it into any laptop, boot it up and use it like it's yours... your docs... your apps... You can go to a friend's house with you USB solid state drive and your interface and use your friend's computer to make the recording. You don't have to bring your own!
 
I don't understand people getting upset about Linux. Why would you?
 
I sometimes boot the computer Jim Roseberry built for me to Linux. Why not? It's really fun and it works great!
 
For my Coursera Machine Learning class I'm taking right now, it runs Octave for free in a mode that enables me to submit my homework.
 
Really, try it. It's just not that hard. Maybe you won't find a use for it. But it's so cheap. You can try it on a $10 USB stick and boot your existing laptop to it. Watch Netflix or check your email. Start simple and maybe you'll find you like it.
 
 
 

BobF

bapu

michael diemer
Yes, perhaps Justin will be the messiah we have been waiting for! 

Or may he's just trying to open yet another revenue stream. A true messiah would tip over the money lender's table

You're not very familiar with Reaper's revenue stream, are you? 

^^^ this
as reaper can be downloaded from the reaper web site fully featured and fully functional and totally non expiring without paying a red cent, i think you can clearly see that money is not the objective here. there was also a thread on the forums where users were complaining, worrying about how people think that reaper is free, i guess because there are a lot of people who just download and use it without ever paying, justin appeared in that thread early on and just said "Let us worry about that sentiment for you " which apparently translated to 'don't worry about it, we aren't' and still reaper is available fully featured, fully functional and non expiring freely downloadable from the reaper web site. i think it is clear that money, or "revenue streams" is far from the main objective. that ship sailed long ago.
link to the thread if it works(it doesn't) put http:// in front
forum.cockos.com/showthread.php?t=173774&highlight=reaper+is+free
 
they even had some popular custom theme creator posting pictures of his themes for a long time, well past the demo "time limit" all the while in the title bar of reaper in the images was 'unregistered copy' or whatever it says. some users pulled him up about it, but it turned out he apparently owned a reaper license but just happened to use a copy that he didn't go through the motions of registering for theme development, he quickly activated it from then on.

backwoods
wow reaper is getting notation... it's only been a decade

how long has sonar had notation? i think decades and it isn't all that it should be, one of the most lamented 'features' of sonar i think. take a look at one of the pre releases of reaper with notation and compare it to what sonar has had for decades, the resulting comparison is undeniable

gswitz
I sometimes boot the computer Jim Roseberry built for me to Linux. Why not? It's really fun and it works great!

I have nothing against Linux, OSX, etc.
 
There's a simplicity to some things (networking being one) that I like.
 
For the more tech-savvy (ethical issues aside):
Building a "Hackintosh" is educational, challenging, enlightening, and fun.
Kind of like solving a complex puzzle...   

The Grim

BobF

bapu

michael diemer
Yes, perhaps Justin will be the messiah we have been waiting for! 

Or may he's just trying to open yet another revenue stream. A true messiah would tip over the money lender's table

You're not very familiar with Reaper's revenue stream, are you? 

^^^ this
as reaper can be downloaded from the reaper web site fully featured and fully functional and totally non expiring without paying a red cent, i think you can clearly see that money is not the objective here. there was also a thread on the forums where users were complaining, worrying about how people think that reaper is free, i guess because there are a lot of people who just download and use it without ever paying, justin appeared in that thread early on and just said "Let us worry about that sentiment for you " which apparently translated to 'don't worry about it, we aren't' and still reaper is available fully featured, fully functional and non expiring freely downloadable from the reaper web site. i think it is clear that money, or "revenue streams" is far from the main objective. that ship sailed long ago.
link to the thread if it works(it doesn't) put http:// in front
forum.cockos.com/showthread.php?t=173774&highlight=reaper+is+free
 
they even had some popular custom theme creator posting pictures of his themes for a long time, well past the demo "time limit" all the while in the title bar of reaper in the images was 'unregistered copy' or whatever it says. some users pulled him up about it, but it turned out he apparently owned a reaper license but just happened to use a copy that he didn't go through the motions of registering for theme development, he quickly activated it from then on.

You hit the nail on the head. Reaper is different. They're already a lot like Linux in that they're not reflexively tied to revenue streams. It's also a labor of love for them. I predict that they will indeed succeed in making Reaper Linux-native. It may take awhile but I think they will do it. Precisely because they are NOT worrying that much about about whether it will sell. Open-source is here to stay. Not for everyone, probably not for most. The majority will continue to insist on being spoon-fed. Those who take life by the horns will embrace, and are embracing, the new paradigm.
I will be buying a Reaper license as soon as the notation edition is released. I will also be upgrading from 8.5 to Pro. I can't choose between them, so I'll just get both.