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2014/07/22 16:12:44
cpkoch
I've received no replies concerning my request for input on the Melodyne revisions of Green Door and Wayward Wind. That's OK; but, it's  unusual on this forum.  I am wondering if it was offensive to some folks. 
2014/07/22 18:50:32
markno999
Cpkoch,
 
I think the lack of response is just due to the summer months and recent 4th of July holiday, vacations, etc.....  
 
Anyway, I listened to your posts,  I like the music and main vocals, however, I find the Melodyne harmonies to be really un-listenable.  The harmonies themselves are ok but the artifacts stick out to the point that they are really ruining the rest of the performances.   If I could sing like that, I would use the Melodyne harmonies as a guideline and re-sing the harmonies.   It would be night and day better.   I like the performance, don't like Melodyne.
 
Regards
2014/07/22 19:05:43
RussjWhite
I've also replied. And also stated about learning to use melodyne or keeping clear of it.  I agree with Mark. 
2014/07/22 20:40:33
cpkoch
Thank you both (Mark and Gus)  for your forthrightness. Melodyne, I realize can produce some weird effects ...robotic effects as some have said.  I have also noticed that when a change that you thought you had made is bounced to the clip, often times that change has vanished. The production of Artifacts might be the result!  Have you found that to be the case?  In any event I am just beginning to understand the nuances of the whole matter of producing tunes. I've no absolute goal in mind except to have fun while learning and attempting to hone my skills of lack thereof!
 
Thanks again for your feedback.  I truly value it!   
2014/07/23 09:17:52
Guitarhacker
Yep.... I don't comment as often as I used to...
 
Melodyne, when it's used right is a great tool. But it's easy to abuse it and get artifacts. The idea to use it to create the harmony but then use auto punch and record a new straight up vocal harmony track.....  I think that would sound better, and if the notes are sharp or flat, using ME to fix THAT, is not a big deal.  Also, I find that NOT fixing a vocal harmony that is going to be lower in the mix than the lead, seems to work well and add character without detracting from the quality of the overall mix.
 
I probably only "fix" the harmonies on about half of the harmony tracks in my music as a result. The lead almost always gets fixed, BUT.... only where it needs fixing. I work with ME manually, phrase by phrase on an "as needed" basis.
 
The harmonies in the song Green Door just sounded a bit too "fake" to my ears.  Take the time to redo them by singing them. Use what ME gave you, as a guide. Take it a phrase at a time if needed.
2014/07/23 10:12:31
Rimshot
+1 Guitarhacker
2014/07/25 10:17:56
optimus
Connie, you seem to have a fine baritone voice. You can sing in in tune and time, so it beats me why you smother it in effects.
 
Lose all those effects, and let your natural voice come out front. Then, if you feel you need  some sort effect,   mix that in ever so gently allowing your natural voice be front and centre.
 
2014/07/25 10:31:44
rscain
optimus
Connie, you seem to have a fine baritone voice. You can sing in in tune and time, so it beats me why you smother it in effects.
 
Lose all those effects, and let your natural voice come out front. Then, if you feel you need  some sort effect,   mix that in ever so gently allowing your natural voice be front and centre.
 




+1
I like your choice of material, too.
2014/07/26 10:24:15
Starise
FWIW I also attribute the lack of response at times to lack of attendance over the summer...of course we have our regulars, but people drift in and out off and on and admittedly some people don't listen to others music and only post their own. Some other forums actually have a rule that you must listen and respond to two or more songs before you can post your own. I think that's a pretty good rule. I understand that it's tough to actually slow down for some people and take the time to listen. For me it can be tough to do especially when I am not into the type of music it is, but I find that I'm better for doing it and I have started to realize the value in listening to others creative works and understand the time and effort that might have gone into it, and appreciate the creativity.........having said that I'm usually lucky if I have the time to listen to more than three or four songs at a pop, so if yours happens to be one I missed, please don't take that personally.
 
There are some flaws as I see it to the whole system. People are naturally more prone to commend someone elses music if they received a great comment from that individual or are in a circle of friends with them. Some people won't say anything if they don't like something, which is simply the worst thing they could do because this area exists to help people improve. I have heard some pretty bad music passed off as ok here because the opposite thing happened and everyone gave the artist a gold star.. If someone actually hates a genre though, I don't think they should be forced to comment on it because they aren't objective right from the start.
 
I'll admit I'm not the most fond of the type of music you posted. On a list from 1 to 10 it might be a 4 in terms of my interest in it. It all has a nice soothing feel to it. I don't personally think the harmonies are terrible and a lot of folks wouldn't take this much notice to it, but you did post in a critique area and these guys are mixers and they notice this stuff. I thought the reverbs were a little much but then if you compare it to music from the time period that this sounds like it emulates, it's a close match. I would back off some though. The song construction and the words are really pretty good....so I would look at cleaning up some of the mush from those harmonies and back off the verb slightly...hope this helps!
 
2014/07/26 11:23:37
cpkoch
Starise
FWIW I also attribute the lack of response at times to lack of attendance over the summer...of course we have our regulars, but people drift in and out off and on and admittedly some people don't listen to others music and only post their own. 

You are most kind to take the time to comment.  Thank you so very much.  I really appreciate it!
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