Probably a useless idea, but maybe try the TS64 Transient Shaper to take some of the fast attack off the cord so it won't trigger the pop? I have used it before to control problems caused by loud punchy notes. Just an idea...

Beepster


Hiya, Keni. But that's gonna effect the volume is it not? Like I said it's a big open chord at the very start (kind of like the beginning of Won't Get Fooled... but different). I don't want to lose the punch of the first pick attack. If that trick somehow triggers the compressor before the signal then that would be cool. I'm still thinking I'm gonna have to stick a clip of whatever random noise a second before the start of the tune and cut it out after mixdown. Just wish that Fast Attack toggle thingy worked better. Cheers.

Hi Beepster...

Of course it will affect the voume... that's what the compressor is doing anyway, but the attack is to sudden for the compressor to catch. so you can manually reduce that peak prior to it hitting the compressor and as the compressor won't be taxed to try working so deep and fast, the pop can be reduced or removed...

If it's getting that much compression on the attack, you're losing punch anyway. You don't have to make the chord lower, just the initial attack (zoom way in and "microedit")

The fast attack actually works quite well from my experiments with it. I'm from the old world and have been dealing with this type of issue from back 45 years when first experiencing the problem. Back then you couldn't do these microedits... ;-) So if you're using a deep compression on something, the inital attack is always going to be an issue tho sometimes more problematic than others.

You've been trying to solve it's problem by making it trigger to an earlier sound... this technique is to decrease the amount of compression needed for the first moment (attack) allowing less demand on the compressor to move the volume as far as fast...

Keni

Beepster


hmm... It does already have a quick fade in. Isn't that pretty much the same thing or will what you guys are describing do something different. I guess I should describe this a little better. There are two rhythm guitar tracks panned hard right and left. One is the big open power chord and the other is a chunky single note riff (first note low E). There is TH2 (heavily distorted) on the tracks. Both are sent to a single bus where I have applied the LP64 EQ for shaping. As I said there is a quick fade on both (using the regular clip fade tools... not automation). The only other thing that happens is a BFD ride cymbal bell sound tapping away but I'm assuming the guits are the more likely culprit of inducing the POP.

Anyway... just thought I'd provide a bit more info. I'm not really up to messing around with it tonight because I spent about 4-5 hours mixing so my brain is fried for the day (yeah... I'm a wimp but I start screwing things up after a while). Cheers and thanks for the suggestions.

The fade in might work if it's in the right place....  Fades are typically a lot more gentle/gradual than what I'm describing tho it is the same in job description. The difference being a notch over only the peak... It's a very tiny time-span...

Keni

Of course...

The other option of adding a very fast compressor to handle only this peak can also work. Try using the pc76 before the la2 set to it's fastest attack and it's threshold set so that it only catches the peak and doesn't affect the remainder of the signal... that was the old days before we could microedit...

Keni