• SONAR
  • Can I start a sequence at measure -1 (minus 1)? (p.2)
2009/06/25 12:35:09
scook
Yea, I suspect this is not a trivial change. One could submit the request directly to Cakewalk via http://www.cakewalk.com/Support/FeatureRequest.asp
2009/06/25 14:18:11
Jonbouy
It's probably not trivial to implement (from a technical POV) since all timestamps would potentially need to be recalculated and calculations based on 0=0 re-done.


Why wouldn't it be trivial there's only one simple function required?

If there is an offset applied to the project then the timestamp = timestamp - offset.

The timeline is only a measurement scale, it's exactly the same in principal as applying a margin to a page in a word processor, paint program or anything else surely.
2009/06/25 14:25:25
kp
You have to test every single case where that could affect the output - synchronisation of VSTis with audio, MIDI, PDC; you need to test that events are processed in "minus time" but have no audible results; you need to test that timestamped audio is imported correctly; video...

There are lots of potential problems that need to be tested - it's rather this than the change itself that would take time.
2009/06/25 14:28:31
Kev999
...-2, -1, 1, 2...
ought to be ...-2, -1, 0, 1, 2...
2009/06/25 16:32:56
j boy
Jonbuoy, what's truly funny is... the guy you're using for your avatar would care about this issue about as much as a fish would about a bicycle!
2009/06/25 17:22:15
quoricsant
ORIGINAL: Kev999

...-2, -1, 1, 2...
ought to be ...-2, -1, 0, 1, 2...


I KNEW someone would eventually say that! lol
You don't think about it as a ruler; there's no ''measure 0''

The negative numbering could indeed be somewhat confusing; a simple color change would suffice I guess:



Of course you should be able to put in as many measures/markers/tempo changes etc as you want.
I don't think of it as part of the sequence, but rather a very improved audio/midi/data count-in (where you can store all the same data as with normal measures).
A 'ghost area', if you will.

Notice that the play cursor(bar) is at the beginning of the count-in area.
2009/06/25 18:04:09
Jonbouy

ORIGINAL: j boy

Jonbuoy, what's truly funny is... the guy you're using for your avatar would care about this issue about as much as a fish would about a bicycle!


He's trained all his fish in the art of defensive cycling, AND he always makes sure he knows what bar he's in...
2009/06/25 18:10:28
Kev999
ORIGINAL: quoricsant

You don't think about it as a ruler...

Actually it is a ruler. You can call it something different if you wish, but it's still a ruler.
2009/06/25 22:42:18
quoricsant

ORIGINAL: Kev999

ORIGINAL: quoricsant

You don't think about it as a ruler...

Actually it is a ruler. You can call it something different if you wish, but it's still a ruler.


Look at a plastic ruler. It stars at 0 cm/inches.
Now look at your Sonar sequence.

1:01:000
measures:beats:ticks
2009/06/25 22:50:50
...wicked
This would also be helpful for things like Audiosnap, where you define the FIRST measure for counting beats and transients and all that hoopla.

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