A partial workaround: Create a 10-bar pre-roll, and start the project at measure 11. That way, you're off by 10, which is easy to remember and (should be) easy to coordinate with other synced devices.

It should be possible, and easily implemented, to specify the project start measure AND also the project start *time*.

For example....



Mental math thucks.

Yet ANOTHER advantage would be the possibility of using a huge 'count-in area' for loose riffs, unfinished or B versions of strophes, unfinished versions of the whole project, etc.
Then, the 'clean' (final) version would start at measure 1!

Turn it 'on' and you have ALL of your project's ideas within a single sequence (if you open more than 1 version of your project as a different sequence, all VST instruments/plugins and wav files reload twice!).
Turn it 'off,' and you can hear/work on your finalized version only!
Again, all within the same sequence.

ORIGINAL: Marah
A partial workaround: Create a 10-bar pre-roll, and start the project at measure 11. That way, you're off by 10, which is easy to remember and (should be) easy to coordinate with other synced devices.

Yah, tho I usually do 8-bar as a similar workaround. Helps me figure out beat lengths and whatnot.

Sheesh, I'd like to go back in time and deliver the metric system about 2500 years early.

ORIGINAL: quoricsant

Look at a plastic ruler. It stars at 0 cm/inches.
Now look at your Sonar sequence.

Try right-clicking on it to see what Cakewalk call it, i.e. "Time Ruler".

Ruler is a more general term than you think. It's not just the name of a specific physical object

ORIGINAL: Kev999

ORIGINAL: quoricsant

Look at a plastic ruler. It stars at 0 cm/inches.
Now look at your Sonar sequence.

Try right-clicking on it to see what Cakewalk call it, i.e. "Time Ruler".

Ruler is a more general term than you think. It's not just the name of a specific physical object

Why would you want a 'measure 0'?
Why are you talking about that? My example is in measures:beats:clicks, as Sonar handles them

I already acknowledged that having negative numbers was confusing...
This is why I fixed it

Would be nice to have along with the notation upgrade

Why would you want a 'measure 0'?
Why are you talking about that? My example is in measures:beats:clicks, as Sonar handles them

I already acknowledged that having negative numbers was confusing...
This is why I fixed it

We appear to be getting sidetracked.

There are two good feature suggestions here:

1. The ability to offset the Time Ruler by a negative amount.

2. The ability to split the timeline into several sections displayed in different colours, each with a separate independent Time Ruler.

These two feature suggestions would both get my vote.

Let's not get into disputes about whether it's best to count from zero, one or a negative number, because different users will each have their own preference. And if the above ideas were implementated, then users could choose this for themselves anyway.

ORIGINAL: Kev999

Why would you want a 'measure 0'?
Why are you talking about that? My example is in measures:beats:clicks, as Sonar handles them

I already acknowledged that having negative numbers was confusing...
This is why I fixed it

We appear to be getting sidetracked.

There are two good feature suggestions here:

1. The ability to offset the Time Ruler by a negative amount.

2. The ability to split the timeline into several sections displayed in different colours, each with a separate independent Time Ruler.

These two feature suggestions would both get my vote.

Let's not get into disputes about whether it's best to count from zero, one or a negative number, because different users will each have their own preference. And if the above ideas were implementated, then users could choose this for themselves anyway.

Yes you are right

I already formally submitted this topic to Roland yesterday.

If they answer, I'll tell you all in here.

I've hoped for this for a long time. I always have 2 or 4 bars as a count it, but I like Marah's idea.