FastBikerBoy


I may be over simplifying things but it wouldn't even be hard for CW to implement. All they'd have to do is give you (the user) the ability to change the ruler start number from 0 to -1 or whatever you liked, make sure all other references to measure/time/position etc takes its reference from that starting point. Problem solved, or am I being over simplistic?

In Audition, you can set measure "1" to anywhere your cursor is...Perhaps the limitations in SONAR are how the Staff View would be affected...I'm not sure...Perhaps some computer genius (or a CW staff member) could comment on this...

Hi Papa-

Perhaps the limitations in SONAR are how the Staff View would be affected...I'm not sure.

Nor am I, but one of the reasons some folks have been asking for this (it might even have come up in that link you posted) is because if people are working off printed parts it would be nice if the measure numbers match what's in SONAR. I don't use SONAR for printing scores these days, but when I did the first thing I'd do is delete the empty bar(s) at the beginning.

And especially for simple traditional song structures, I think it's normal to want to see obvious multiples or divisions of 8 -- no mental math required (however easy).

-Susan

Yes,  I vote for being able to create negative measure numbers.   It would have been great in the old days to be able to send patch data out before the song started and still start in measure 1.  If you score to picture it has even greater benifits.  Just to be able to have a pick up into the song would be nice.

All I want to do is have the mesures match what I am use to. Even after all this time starting on the two, I still am not comfortable with it. And yes I use the heck out of markers. Still doesn't solve the problem when I'm putting a new song together.

The problem we have here is engineers trying to discuss matters musical with musicians.
We dont speak the same language or even think the same.

I HATE software that forces me to change the way I work to accomodate its foibles, but since that pretty much accounts for every damn piece of software I have ever used, I guess I am stuffed.

Say goodnight, Gracie.

ivanSC


The problem we have here is engineers trying to discuss matters musical with musicians.
We dont speak the same language or even think the same.

I must disagree...Of the many of us who are experienced engineers, quite a few of us are also accomplished musicians...Some of us, myself included, actually have a formal background in music training/performance...

 

My kneejerk reaction was that, from a programming standpoint, offering the ability to renumber measures ought to be a piece of Cake.

Then I thought about for 5 more seconds, and realized that such a change could be a much bigger deal that you might imagine. The kind of "simple" change that destabilizes the code for months.

Think about how many places in the program measures are referenced, such as the Paste and Split dialogs. Think about the ramifications of importing Broadcast Wave files. How would it affect CAL scripts? Groove clips? Where do your markers go when you redefine the base measure? Do audio clips automatically slide over to follow?

I'm not surprised they're in no hurry to jump on this one.

Still, it would be a nice feature.

Yes, it would be a nice feature.  Meanwhile, we have the choice to focus on our music, our work, or give energy to the things that annoy us and distract us from that.

I too would enjoy having a piece's measures always match the numbers in Sonar's time line.  Maybe at some point all the complications to achieve that will be figured out.  That would be nice.  Until then - >shrugs<.

rbowser

Hey Bitlipper,  you are way smarter about this than I,  but I think it may be way easier.  The program itself would not change,  Sonar does not need to think that there are neg measures,  but just the display of the measure numbers in the track view could be programed to slide.  Wouldn't you just need to translate the graphic number on the screen?   So Sonar's measure 1 shows up in the track view and edit views transposed to the user defined measure number.  Isn't that doable?

Everytime I have a lead sheet or score to input into Sonar I have to take a pencil and re-number all the measures.  This is time consuming and does defile the score.  If a measure gets added or deleted or I make a mistake it turns into a big mess.

Recording a score for picture with live musicians I always have to make sure that everyone knows we are starting at measure 5 (or whatever number) and not 1.    If I don't pay attention to this and find a way to "trick" the score someone will blow the 1st cue coming in at the wrong place.

Just a simple thing that could  really save a lot of effort.