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2012/11/02 12:37:16
Retik
Hey Bob, I've heard you can buy CM as a download edition nowadays and you get all the content to download too.
 
It's only a recent thing they've made available, I can't post a link as the company firewall is preventing me from going to it, but as grumbleweed up there says, the December edition is not available just yet.
 
 
2012/11/02 13:01:51
bobguitkillerleft
cleats


Hey Bob, I've heard you can buy CM as a download edition nowadays and you get all the content to download too.
 
It's only a recent thing they've made available, I can't post a link as the company firewall is preventing me from going to it, but as grumbleweed up there says, the December edition is not available just yet.
 
 
Wonders of computing.....it only takes me a few years,to get the obvious,unless I get help,so THANKS man,I'll certainly look into that.
Cheers
Bob
2012/11/02 13:31:07
Wood67
I had a look just now at the CM DL version, but it seems to be only for horrid Apple things, and stressed that it doesn't include the DVD content.

Besides, when I'm not allowed to be in the studio room, I can sit quietly on the sofa with my beloved and thumb through the magazine!
2012/11/02 13:38:21
bobguitkillerleft
Wood67


I had a look just now at the CM DL version, but it seems to be only for horrid Apple things, and stressed that it doesn't include the DVD content.

Besides, when I'm not allowed to be in the studio room, I can sit quietly on the sofa with my beloved and thumb through the magazine!

Huge points there!!
2012/11/02 13:42:18
Anderton
Kenneth


I guess it's a definition of what brutally honest means.

I haven't seen a review from any music mag concluding something along the lines of "save your money and buy 'competing product' instead" that really says it all. 
 
I can't speak for others, but the odds of seeing a review like that from me are EXTREMELY remote, because as there are more products available for review than could ever be reviewed, I get to choose the products I want to review. Which scenerio is more likely:
 
"I just saw this really amazing product at NAMM! Man, I'd love to get my hands on that and check it out!"
 
or...
 
"I just saw a product at NAMM that doesn't interest me at all, and it looks like it's not all that well-designed. I think I'll spend a month of my life learning everything I can about it!"
 
Now, of course sometimes I find elements that are disappointing, incomplete, or whatever, and those are noted in the review (e.g., the lack of sophistication with staff view in Sonar ). But there have only been three reviews I've ever written that were total slams of products with no redeeming value. Here's what happened:
 
Product #1: I sent the review to the manufacturer for fact-check, and was shocked they never replied. That was because they had gone out of business...wasted two pages in the mag.
 
Product #2: Taken off the market in exchange for not running the review. The product was completely redesigned around my complaints and the changes I suggested, then re-released a few months later.
 
Product #3: Also taken off the market in exchange for not running the review. I promised to review it again when it was fixed, but it was never really fixed, the new version never came out, and the company went out of business.
 
Any time I write a review, I'm always concerned that I'll miss some "fatal flaw" due to not having infinite time to find problems, or because I didn't use the product in a particular way that would reveal it. So far (knock on wood) that really hasn't happened. Of course it works the other way too, where I don't want to miss some stellar feature.
 
Ultimately, the only reason advertisers take out ads is because a magazine has lots of eyeballs. So, the readers always have to come first from an economic standpont. But from a manufacturer and reader standpoint, it makes more sense (given the limited number of pages available) for a review to talk about something that's really cool and interesting. There really aren't very many "bad" products, so the choice is usually between something hot and something sort of average. The hot stuff is more fun to write about, and reviews of those products are more fun to read.
2012/11/02 13:44:19
Anderton
xxxsoundxxx


I know a couple magazine reviewers personally. They spend a day with the product and give their (usually biased) review. If the product they are reviewing pays for ads in their mag a favorable review almost always ensues. If not often no review occurs!


You are hanging out with the wrong people...
2012/11/02 14:37:04
xxxsoundxxx
I didn't say I hung out with them. I said I knew them personally. :-)
2012/11/02 14:55:24
Retik
bobguitkillerleft


Wood67


I had a look just now at the CM DL version, but it seems to be only for horrid Apple things, and stressed that it doesn't include the DVD content.

Besides, when I'm not allowed to be in the studio room, I can sit quietly on the sofa with my beloved and thumb through the magazine!

Huge points there!!

 
 
S'not just horrible Apples (in fact there's a fair selection of PC-only plugins in the CM Studio) and apparently does include content now if you get it via here:
http://www.musicradar.com/computermusic/computer-music-downloads-faq-556822
 
2012/11/02 15:58:45
cclarry
cleats


x2 is reviewed in Computer Music, Cm185 December 2012.

They conclude that the Console Emulator "sounds fantastic", Breverb and TH2 "are winners", "Automation lanes at last!", "Auto Zoom is most helpful" and the Smart Tool "keeps getting smarter".

9 out of 10.

There is usually "Payola" involved in many reviews...which means the Companies "pay" the reviewer
to write a good review..I know....I've been the person who delivered the "payola"...

However, in this case, the Console Emulations are fantastic, Breverb is fantastic, and TH2...still not as good as 
Amplitube, GR5, or GTR 3 - But that's just me....as a guitarist, but it does have a place.

Automation Lanes....I'm not sure that that is a "GREAT" thing...as having the automation over the Wave, for me, helps,
so I like to work that way...I'm sure for many it's great...but I was fine the way it was.

Smart Tool is great...love it.


If they had given us better PRV editing (I know they've improved, but by comparison to Cubase, the PRV in Sonar is lightyears
behind), if they had given us VST 3.x support and VST Expression (A better SONAR version) also....I'd be saying MAJOR HOMERUN!!!  I'm sure VST 3.x will make it's appearance, probably in the next upgrade.


As it is, it is still THE BEST DAW out there for me....second to NONE...but that's just my opinion...I haven't tried DP 8 yet...
but DP 8 is going to have to be one heck of a DAW to beat X2....just sayin'
2012/11/02 18:36:32
Anderton
cclarry


cleats


x2 is reviewed in Computer Music, Cm185 December 2012.

They conclude that the Console Emulator "sounds fantastic", Breverb and TH2 "are winners", "Automation lanes at last!", "Auto Zoom is most helpful" and the Smart Tool "keeps getting smarter".

9 out of 10.

There is usually "Payola" involved in many reviews...which means the Companies "pay" the reviewer
to write a good review..I know....I've been the person who delivered the "payola"...
 
"Usually?" I've been writing reviews since the 70s, and no manufacturer has ever offered me money to write a review, let alone a positive one. I guess I haven't figured out the protocol yet, or I'd have a timeshare on Kona

The closest I've come to that is a manufacturer saying that if I end up liking a product, I have the option to buy it at dealer cost. That's common in the industry, though; it saves them shipping costs and figuring out what to do with a used (or in my cases, sometimes abused) unit.

If I found out any of the authors whose articles I'd edited had been paid for a review, I would have never used them again, nor run the review. And I would have contacted all the editors in the other MusicPlayer group publications (Keyboard, Guitar Player, Guitar World, Bass Player) to advise them to watch out for that particular individual. Maybe I'm just old school, but I always thought the readers are my boss, more so than the people running a magazine or advertising in it.

I'll add one more thing about reviews. I don't think anyone really cares whether I like something or not (and if they do, they shouldn't!). I think they want to know if THEY would like it. Therefore, I try to give the reader the experience of having checked out the unit.

I reviewed NI's Kore once. One reader went out and bought Kore because he thought the review was so favorable, and he told me how much he loved Kore, and thanked me for the review. Another reader asked me at NAMM whether NI canceled their advertising because the review was so negative! The reality was that I described what Kore was good for, and what it wasn't good for. It fit the first person's needs like a glove, so he saw the positive elements in the review. It wasn't well-suited for the second person's needs, so he saw only the negative elements.

As to NI...they just said "Finally, someone has explained what it does in a way people can understand." It's been my experience that reputable manufacturers with a long-term outlook would rather have a review that summarizes a product accurately than an over-the-top, "as I opened the box, my body started tingling with anticipation" type of review which no one believes anyway.





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