you can isntall apps in 32 or just export the projects in audio and import it in sonar ....

Stone House Studios

radu789


  I want to know how to setup the system for having Ableton Live inside Sonar

Is Live a rewire device? What is it that you want Live to do in Sonar that you can't do in Live?
 
Brian

great drummaschines, great synths, lightyears better MIDI routing, MIDImapping and control over FX and softsynths, GREAT AUDIOwarping without bugs.... do I need to say more?

adrian4u

Stone House Studios

radu789


  I want to know how to setup the system for having Ableton Live inside Sonar

Is Live a rewire device? What is it that you want Live to do in Sonar that you can't do in Live?
 
Brian

great drummaschines, great synths, lightyears better MIDI routing, MIDImapping and control over FX and softsynths, GREAT AUDIOwarping without bugs.... do I need to say more?

Yep.  Sounds like Sonar to me!
Either that or your command of English is lacking.
Do I need to say more?

Stone House Studios  - believe me - Sonar is miles (or years) in back of Ableton if just look at MIDI implementation, control surfaces and - what can you do with it.
And that's very important when you want to take comlplete control over parameters inside your VST plugins.
In Sonar you just have ACT - which is like a steam machine - very interestung but almost useless in conteporary times.

And - my English isn't perfect, but it doesn't change fact, that Sonar's MIDI impleentation in terms of using it to control VSTs is LACKING.

Ableton is excellent for composing (a ceratain type and a in acertain way) ...but ableton is miles away from sonar a a generalist daw that can handle everything from prod to post prod , miles away in the summing area and audio engine even if its audio engine in the stability area is quite good ...
Effects a miles form sonar in the mixing area while excellent in sound design and glitch ...
Tools for pro are lacking while tools for prod are great ....

Those are objectif aspect , on the subjectif way , the interface is just "last decade" ;) time for a lifting !

One thing i love about live is the abilty to re "resoution" the whole app to mlatch the best result on your screen reso !! great ! 

adrian4u


Stone House Studios  - believe me - Sonar is miles (or years) in back of Ableton if just look at MIDI implementation, control surfaces and - what can you do with it.
And that's very important when you want to take comlplete control over parameters inside your VST plugins.
In Sonar you just have ACT - which is like a steam machine - very interestung but almost useless in conteporary times.

And - my English isn't perfect, but it doesn't change fact, that Sonar's MIDI impleentation in terms of using it to control VSTs is LACKING.

adrian4u -
You've misread my question and are using it as an opportunity to sing Live's praises on the Sonar forum.
What I asked,
 

What is it that you want Live to do in Sonar that you can't do in Live?

phrased differently is "What is it that Sonar will add to Live that makes you need to use it in Sonar?"
 
Not "Why is Live better than Sonar?" or "Why do you prefer Live over Sonar?" which are the questions you answered, and not very politely.

To end on this , i really hope the Matrix enhancement will be on the menu of the next version ....

Stone House Studios - answer to your question is above - written by Zo :)

But I don't think ABLETON is as crapy as Zo describes.
In a fact it's a great, modular and liveact-oriented tool, and because its philosophy is totally diffferent from SONAR.

And - try tu use Ableton and you'll see where SONAR has to make significant changes: MIDI, ergonomy....

It's very crapy, that if yu want to take MIDI control over (ie.) NI Guitar Rig in SONAR, you have to plug it in as a SYNTHESIZER! Other way "live mode" and floorboard are useless. Try to explain those "stupid guitar guys" that Sonar is SO FRIENDLY for them.

Adrian , i'm not saying that ableton is crapy !! i have the chance to have pretty all soft in NFR (not for retail) and so i have and use ableton so because i have to master all the daws my student (at the SAE) use including cuabse , logic, ableton , (Spark editor) , studio one, PT ...ect ....

Also i always ask the student to master a generalistic sequencer , understand here that ableton , reason , fruity loops ect ..are not included in this list ....simply beacuse i tell them that if they master one generalistic sequencer , trhey will be able to use any other ...witch is not the case of the 3 others for exemple ....

Also i did a lot of testing ....and the 3 main thing objectif things that are used to test and compare daws are :

1) Stability
2) Audio engine / quality of summation
3) Bundle (Quality and quantity that allow pro result)

Evrything after that is all subjectif including , ergonomy , interface .....and those subjectif thing are of course to take in
consideration as soon as you're aware that this not the main thing !

I don't want to discuss "what is better" in general, because everyone has its own preferences, and for live purposes Ableton for now is the one and only.

I can't discuss about quality of suming, about overall ergonomy as an effect of totally different plilodophy and DNA.

but I can say few things. Love it or hate it, but in many cases Sonar is much better than Ableton, but in many important details - Ablton has no competitors. Even Sonar is just a point somewere in rear mirror.

And - Ableton together with Sonar, could be great duet. Sonar for scoring/composing, mastering, Ableton for sketches, fast pattern-based music, basic recording, tweaking and live performance.
But if you think that Sonar's Matrix will replace Ableton at all - you're wrong, because Ableton is much more than just "matrix" - it's all about MIDI, controlling, live tweaking, MIDI mastercontrols in channelstrips and in softsynth/FX-strips....
/Sonar has only (ONLY) ACT, which was maybe nice tool 5-7 years ago, but today it's just an epic fail./

Maybe these things are not as useful in studio environment - but just  "maybe". Try Ableton, STONE STUDIO, befor you trash it. Or give me example, how to use "stupid" Guitar Rig's live mode in Sonar. Or how to map few controls to FXstrip, which includes (i.e.) 5 different FX.

In a fact I almost love Sonar, but I won't leave Ableton. I will do it just in one case (it gonna be cold day in hell) - when SONAR get the same MIDI functionality and ergonomy.