I don't want to discuss "what is better" in general, because everyone has its own preferences, and for live purposes Ableton for now is the one and only.

 
Getting back to the OP and rewiring Live into Sonar.
If Live is "the one and only" for live purposes -what is the point of using it as a rewire device in a DAW (Sonar) that has much better production capabilities?
Conversley, if Sonar doesn't have better production abilities, why rewire into it?
 
Brian

Brian - In my opinion SONAR had BETTER production abilities and tools...

Let's show it this way: Abletn is like sophisticated "groovebox", with good instruments in it, very gd electronic drumkits, effects.. and It's vell-intergrateed and gives control, fun, ease of use etc.

In other way - Sonar has bettter offline mixing/mastering abilities, with sohisticated effects, mixing console, but without "fancy" instruments onboard.

I think that could be a reason to connect Ableton and Sonar together. To get almost omnipotential system.

........But for live purposes I'll be aware of Sonar's stability and small (un)ability to work as a mixing console for external signals :P
........But in studio environment - comparing to illogical Cubase - i LOVE SONAR :P

Adrian i agree with you ...and i do find that live / reason/ fruty loops  are like sound modules (way more evoluted) good to use in conjonction with sonar ....

And that's why the implementation of rewire was done !! andthat's why we call rewire mixers versus rewire synths ..

if i remeber live is trye only one that can do bought mixer and synth (be a master or slave)

For me, Zo, it's very easy to set up Ableton for live performance, uing VST and HARDWARE instruments, using VST and EXTERNAL EFX units with totally werd combinations - and to still have full control over whole project. Ableton has INPUT GAIN (in opposite to pour SONAR), has better "matrix", has good as hell MIDI mapping abilities.
TRY IT BY YouRSELF.
If you'll go thru different DNA (just to underline: Ableton is generally for LIVEACTS purposes, and then for production purposes), the rest is pure fun and creativity.
And you'll maybe start to wondering, why "so simple" software has these all goods and "very sophisticated and pro" Sonar - hasn't.
 
For better examples what you can do with Ableton - go to Ableton's homepage. Look at MIDI mapping, warping (no issues with disappearing knots), efx combinations, drumsets and instruemnts.

adrian4u

Stone House Studios

radu789


  I want to know how to setup the system for having Ableton Live inside Sonar

Is Live a rewire device? What is it that you want Live to do in Sonar that you can't do in Live?
 
Brian

great drummaschines, great synths, lightyears better MIDI routing, MIDImapping and control over FX and softsynths, GREAT AUDIOwarping without bugs.... do I need to say more?

lightyears WORSE MIDI timing, jitter galore, ridiculous external synth routing & handling, lack of most basic MIDI editing facilities, no sysex control of hardware...I have Live 8 and seriously, Sonar midi runs rings around Live.

adrian4u


For me, Zo, it's very easy to set up Ableton for live performance, uing VST and HARDWARE instruments, using VST and EXTERNAL EFX units with totally werd combinations - and to still have full control over whole project. Ableton has INPUT GAIN (in opposite to pour SONAR), has better "matrix", has good as hell MIDI mapping abilities.
TRY IT BY YouRSELF.
If you'll go thru different DNA (just to underline: Ableton is generally for LIVEACTS purposes, and then for production purposes), the rest is pure fun and creativity.
And you'll maybe start to wondering, why "so simple" software has these all goods and "very sophisticated and pro" Sonar - hasn't.
 
For better examples what you can do with Ableton - go to Ableton's homepage. Look at MIDI mapping, warping (no issues with disappearing knots), efx combinations, drumsets and instruemnts.

Thks but i have live suite ;) no need to watch video ....

Back to topic:
- you can (for now) - use ReWire, but you have to install SONAR in 32bit version.

Jose and Zo - so - with all the lacks, "problems" etc - why Ableton is so popular (even if not the only one) in liveacts, where CONTROLL counts - not SysEx etc? ;)
Jose - for me is strange that SONAR has no INPUT GAIN for incoming audio. Ableton has. Miracle? :-P

I wrote before and I will stay in my opinion - Ableton and Sonar it's a couple and should be treated as a couple, not competitors. One is better in live situations, second - in studio. So don't force your "Sonar is the best, others are mess" opinions, don't let anybody think that you're not so open-minded as you want to be seen :P

peace-a-lot ;)

What INPUT GAIN "for incoming audio"? And why is that important to you? Sonar has had a trim control for ages, if that's what you mean. Anyway, as much as you can control Live itself with external controllers, it is severely handicapped when it comes to control external hardware synths WITH Live, it can't even record a sysex dump, which is the most basic thing a midi sequencer should be able to do regarding that task. Live was born as an audio app, and it is fine for that, and much fun for many things, but IMO its midi is inmature, unstable  and very often annoying.

I think you guys replying in this thread are being had...

...forgive me if I am wrong,  but radu is just a troll.

Am I wrong?

No. You are 100% correct.