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2012/10/31 00:27:01
enlikil
If there patch enables all the touch controls in windows 8...
We will be able to have a monitor emulate a console and be able to visually touch all the controls instead of using a keyboard and mouse.
not sure bout you guys but to me that would be Hella kool at least to play with :)
 
2012/10/31 01:02:51
John
When you have a control surface to work with touch screens don't mean that much. Clearly there is a movement toward everything being virtual. 
2012/10/31 01:32:03
tomixornot

I've got a Dell multi touch (21.5 inch) to play with since last year.. and it didn't work well with Win 7.

1. With Win 7, the touch did not translate well into mouse movement. Fader movement is accelerated, hard to control. With the step sequencer, touch-hold did not engage the delete note function (mouse right click). The patch will probably address these issues.

...but even if the patch for Win 8 works..

2. For the current X2 screen, 21.5 inch monitor is too small to move the console fader with any accuracy. Part of your finger will cover the fader, making it hard to see the movement. A really big monitor might help. Also, there is this slight delay moving the fader by touch, where as with the mouse wheel, it's immediate.

Then you have the problem where to place the touch screen.. as pointed by many here, placing it at regular position, your arm get tired soon.

@21.5 inch, the monitor is small enough to be placed flat or at a low table..but with small faders problem. Big monitor will be hard to be placed flat.

Perhaps a feature to make the fader bigger is good. I have suggested a feature request for this.

It may be just a feature to be compatible with Win 8, but I won't be practical to use.
2012/10/31 01:41:08
ampfixer
If they can't give us custom colours what makes you think they can figure out touch-DAW. Seriously, I wouldn't hold your breath.
2012/11/01 01:36:19
tomixornot
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2012/11/01 04:48:13
Bristol_Jonesey
I can think of nothing worse or ergonomically unfriendly than sat jabbing at a screen 2 feet away from me.

The scope for Upper Limb Disorder is enormous
2012/11/01 05:29:14
ProjectM
The beauty would be to have it flat in front of you, as you would with a control surface. More and more touch screens are made for that now. The potential is great. Too bad I hate touch screens on everything except for on phones and tablets. Faders must be physical. YMMV

I've been using a Wacom pen thingy with Sonar for years - I love it! But the faders are impossible to control with it. Lots of other stuff works fine. What will be interesting to see is how the new Win8 gestures can be used in Sonar. There are quite a few touch mouse varieties coming from Logitech and the like, made for Windows 8 without a touch screen. I think I'll be geting one of these. That's the plan anyway. And hopefully the Wacom will actually work with faders in Sonar after the update.
2012/11/01 05:39:16
John
ProjectM


The beauty would be to have it flat in front of you, as you would with a control surface. More and more touch screens are made for that now. The potential is great. Too bad I hate touch screens on everything except for on phones and tablets. Faders must be physical. YMMV

I've been using a Wacom pen thingy with Sonar for years - I love it! But the faders are impossible to control with it. Lots of other stuff works fine. What will be interesting to see is how the new Win8 gestures can be used in Sonar. There are quite a few touch mouse varieties coming from Logitech and the like, made for Windows 8 without a touch screen. I think I'll be geting one of these. That's the plan anyway. And hopefully the Wacom will actually work with faders in Sonar after the update.

You stole my thunder. LOL. I was thinking along the same lines. We don't know what all this will bring to us in the future. I'm thinking that the hardware CS will at some point be a thing of the past. But not yet. Though its on its way. 

A year or two from now could see a very different way of working with Sonar. If its done right and it appears it just may be, we have nothing to fear but rejoice in the progression of technology. 

Who knew that this subject 20 years ago would be a subject?

 
2012/11/01 05:45:28
ProjectM
It was a subject 20 years ago - among science fiction writers and nerds.

Guess we all are nerds now then

Hardware CS - actually, one of the reasons for why I steped down as a live sound engineer is because of the digital revolution. I can't stand working on these fancy things with touch screens. OK, the faders are there but I don't like it when what I'm working with is hidden away when I might need them the most. And pointing around on a touch screen doesn't alow me to focus on several thing at once while paying attention to the show. I may be too stupid to figure that out though. I may sound old now but I'm not, I'm 30!!  If I'm doing any live sound these days, it's with a VI6.

But in the studio I could get away with it. Prefer hardware though. I like to touch these things and be able to look away from the CS and feel what's going on. Hopefully the physical fader will be with us for 1000 years to come, when I perhaps will retire.
2012/11/01 06:57:21
Splat
> If they can't give us custom colours what makes you think they can figure out touch-DAW.

Trying not to laugh as I happily use the existing user interface... 
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