oh man, I've had great success using rapture and dimension pro live in performances.  i have cwp files running and then several instances of dp and rap running with different midi input channels. what i do is play while the project is running/recording and switch channels on my controller keyboard to switch between the synths. good programming is key - make sure you have some kind of standard midi assignments for all the controllers for fx control and synth control automation lanes make this incredibly easy. one word of caution - if you plan on using matrix view be warned that when you trigger a midi clip often times (esp with rapture) the first couple of notes don't play.  i guess it's a buffer issue, not really sure... so what i did for that was just take the midi parts and bounce them to audio and then drag the bounced audio into the matrix view cells.  matrix handles audio VERY well... almost on par with ableton.

Cool ST, terrific advice there -AND I had not even thought about using Matrix - what a great suggestion - I think I will investigate that tool a little further. Especially as you say it can be similar (although accepted NOT the same) to Ableton...

So far what I have done is assign the midi backing tracks to the vsti's (Session D, the Bass SI and the rest via Dim Pro) then frozen the tracks to run in the Playlist tool.

I found that leaving them "as is" took a bit too long to load - (too long for a live gig anyway) and freezing them, sped up the load time to an acceptable one. 

So far so good. The enxt trick is to get a one measure MIDI control setup file to direct X2 to load the next project via the iPad, which I use for charts and song tips/play instructions. I got this working using a hardware WS I was using (a Korg) and it meant that as soon as I loaded the doc/chart with the linked MIDI ctrl file on the iPad, it sent a midi message to the synth to load a pre-saved setup.

I even did a YT vid showing how it worked, if you are interested :) The "Songbook" mentioned is actually a tool that stored ALL the panel data, and all resources used to play the song...and is rather a neat thing for live work:)  http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hu_cVjThIh0&feature=plcp

I am hoping to be able to emulate this operation using X2

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what i do is open all the pieces that are going to be in the set beforehand and then swap between them.  the first time it took about 20 seconds to open a project with about 4 instances each of rapture and dimension pro and a couple of instances of kontakt and massive which was ok until i opened one project that had lost all of my midi input channel assignments.  to open multiple projects, you need to uncheck "allow only one open file at a time" in preferences/file/advanced.  i've transmitted midi sysx messages live before that might be an option for control... or have a dummy midi track with input from your controller on a specific channel and outputting to the ipad to trigger the project change.  not sure if you can send sysx using matrix view, i think i'll give that a try....

my system is fairly slow too... running a gateway nv53 with a dual core athlon xII m300 with 4 gigs of ram and have had very very few problems with sonar.  

what i'm doing now to minimize instances of rapture and dimension pro is building custom sfz files with keyswitches and setting them to multitimbral mode in a lot of instances.  we'll see how that goes...

joden


Cool, thanks guys - good info.

btw it is X2 Producer I have- And I agree, Dim Pro 1.5 or Rapture would be the way to go, but I noticed these expansions at only 19.95 and just thought I would ask, as I too have never really much bothered with either SI, or Sound Centre.

I am using mostly "bread+butter" stuff, with an occasional dabble in more synth oriented instruments.

...as for the guy who said don't be a dick, I wasn't....I just dislike irrelevant comments instead of replies directly related to the original question. Which I thought was quite succinct and crystal clear...a straight comparison between the two VSTs ...from people who have used them, or actually know something about them.

Thank you again to those who offered practical and related information. I think I will stick with Dim Pro..

Cheers

although i would not have posted "dont be a dick" you were in fact, blatantly rude to a fellow member who was trying to help and had valid points to make... The fact that YOU considered it irrelevant says more about you than the poster noynekker....who after all, was simply the first to reply of the 4 or 5 folks who had the same perspective on the topic.... this is something you need to reflect upon....  

Mystic38

joden


Cool, thanks guys - good info.

btw it is X2 Producer I have- And I agree, Dim Pro 1.5 or Rapture would be the way to go, but I noticed these expansions at only 19.95 and just thought I would ask, as I too have never really much bothered with either SI, or Sound Centre.

I am using mostly "bread+butter" stuff, with an occasional dabble in more synth oriented instruments.

...as for the guy who said don't be a dick, I wasn't....I just dislike irrelevant comments instead of replies directly related to the original question. Which I thought was quite succinct and crystal clear...a straight comparison between the two VSTs ...from people who have used them, or actually know something about them.

Thank you again to those who offered practical and related information. I think I will stick with Dim Pro..

Cheers

although i would not have posted "dont be a dick" you were in fact, blatantly rude to a fellow member who was trying to help and had valid points to make... The fact that YOU considered it irrelevant says more about you than the poster noynekker....who after all, was simply the first to reply of the 4 or 5 folks who had the same perspective on the topic.... this is something you need to reflect upon....  

+1
 

...

joden

alth

Mystic38

joden


Cool, thanks guys - good info.

btw it is X2 Producer I have- And I agree, Dim Pro 1.5 or Rapture would be the way to go, but I noticed these expansions at only 19.95 and just thought I would ask, as I too have never really much bothered with either SI, or Sound Centre.

I am using mostly "bread+butter" stuff, with an occasional dabble in more synth oriented instruments.

...as for the guy who said don't be a dick, I wasn't....I just dislike irrelevant comments instead of replies directly related to the original question. Which I thought was quite succinct and crystal clear...a straight comparison between the two VSTs ...from people who have used them, or actually know something about them.

Thank you again to those who offered practical and related information. I think I will stick with Dim Pro..

Cheers

although i would not have posted "dont be a dick" you were in fact, blatantly rude to a fellow member who was trying to help and had valid points to make... The fact that YOU considered it irrelevant says more about you than the poster noynekker....who after all, was simply the first to reply of the 4 or 5 folks who had the same perspective on the topic.... this is something you need to reflect upon....  

Well we will just have to disagree then hey!! 


I considered his/her reply was rude and condescending, and did not even TRY to directly address the OP question - simple as it was..


The mere fact that a few others managed to reply directly to the question, without the pompous need to know the "ins and outs of a cats bum", and actually crediting the writer with a modicum of knowledge re Sonar, speaks volumes...


The same reply goes to the lurker/trollster who added the ubiquitous +1


We are done.

 
The +1 saved having to waste too much time on an ingrate homunculi.
 
Fifty five posts and making friends already.  See how much help you get in future.
 
I guess the first chap you insulted assumed anyone asking such a ridiculous noob question about more or less legacy products probably didn't have a clue, and so wanted to narrow down what it was you required.  He probably couldn't believe that you had X1 or X2 and still need to ask this.
 
And it's not just for X2 - read the title, Bozo.
 
Hope all goes well in your remaining short time with us..

...

joden

jb101

The +1 saved having to waste too much time on an ingrate homunculi. 

 
Fifty five posts and making friends already.  See how much help you get in future.

I guess the first chap you insulted assumed anyone asking such a ridiculous noob question about more or less legacy products probably didn't have a clue, and so wanted to narrow down what it was you required.  He probably couldn't believe that you had X1 or X2 and still need to ask this.

And it's not just for X2 - read the title, Bozo.

Hope all goes well in your remaining short time with us..

What an inane and rather useless addition to this you make.

And I guess you know EVERY little bit about EVERYTHING in Sonar and what's available????

Not that you really deserve it, but to explain further....

I have always known about these VST's just never had cause to fully investigate them.....you see you also "assumed" that going by the number of posts I "obviously" didn't know anything...did it ever occur to you that maybe the Cakewalk servers had stuffed up user names and logins etc etc??

I have been using Sonar (Cakewalk) since before it even went to Audio, but only ever in an in-depth way using MIDI and sequencing. It is only recently I have had the reason/need to investigate the audio side more thoroughly.

Further, the original question was ONLY asking for a comparison between two VSTis, it was not about a glitch, bug, problem, fault, crash or anything even remotely connected to those issues.....a point that several other readers OBVIOUSLY got.

And it is very rare I even ask questions on this forum, I tend to figure most out with my own resources and the manuals...when it comes to asking people an opinion about two comparable VST's I really do not see the need to know what the system is..

I will be around a lot longer than you think (and possibly have been around longer than you in total?? - (yep just checked your post # , definitely been around longer)

Why people like you and the others who have made similar inane remarks even bother is totally enigmatic...you do seem to get rather precious....you should all really juts get over yourselves and move on..

PS: btw mixing your latin with English is a bit of a give-away at someone trying to be intellectual...and failing rather poorly! Did you have to google much to come up with that one - at least try to use full latin and the correct term - it is -culus not -culi which is the plural..

 
Apology for the plural ending, you are of course right, silly me, I wasn't thinking.  As for "Mixing Latin with English", interesting..
 
Perhaps you could try mixing manners with your posts.  You're obviously not a complete dullard, so the reason for your aggressive attitude is all the more queer.
 
I'm sure with your lengthy background in music making you'll figure out which is best for you quickly.
 
Good luck and happy music makig.

Thank you. I appreciate the sentiment, and yes I do enjoy my music making..

Fair enough, I can see the last part was un-necessary and was more of a "knee-jerk" so my apologies for that....no I am not usually like this, but I guess for some reason at that particular time, the original first reply "got up my nose" so to speak...

And then others getting involved annoyed me as well...I do understand you were coming from trying address a "wrong" as you saw it, but, and this is only my view, as the thread had moved on with practical and useful info after that, that it was perhaps best left alone...

Anyhoo, time to get more musical and less "waxing lyrical" ;) let's get back to making music!!

ciao

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