• SONAR
  • Any hardened ProChannel users tried going back to VSTs? (p.6)
2012/10/27 06:34:55
Chregg
the pro channel pc76 seems to add a harmonic every octave, this is a pure sine Uploaded with ImageShack.us
2012/10/27 06:36:58
Chregg
thats with 20 db + gr, so it must add it subtley
2012/10/27 08:14:23
mattplaysguitar
No you can't trial the LA2A. I got it on the 3 day sale a few days ago for $40. You missed out! I do love it though. A lot.

I agree that the 1176 in the PC isn't all that hot... All button mode on it is really quite tame. Doesn't mean it ain't useful, but I've certainly heard some 1176 sounds that I like better than what the PC can do. At least on the all button mode type of sound.

I find the issue of tweaking parameters whist having the wrong track selected is a problem. I'm not sure what the solution to this is but I think it's something that needs to be streamlined. Maybe making it have a tab look like you get in your browser? That would make it much easier. Or maybe it's just a matter of getting more familiar with X2. I'm still doing some work on X1 and some on X2 before I make the full transition. I want to be 100% confident X2 is stable for me before fully switching.
2012/10/27 09:33:03
stevec
Got it Steve. The button called 'Display'/then Module Options. I had no idea that button (outside of the PC block) had anything to do with it! Many thanks!

 
No problem!  
2012/10/27 10:19:17
FastBikerBoy
I find the issue of tweaking parameters whist having the wrong track selected is a problem
I'm genuinely curious to how that's possible? Mainly because I've never done it.

Is this in the track view? The PC follows the in focus track unless you lock it. Remember that selected isn't in focus but that's true of all the track controls volume, pan, etc. not just the PC.
2012/10/27 14:16:33
Funkybot
Chregg


the pro channel pc76 seems to add a harmonic every octave, this is a pure sine Uploaded with ImageShack.us
The nature of compression is that the effects adds harmonics when gain reduction is occurring. All compressors will do this no matter how good or bad. I can see by the GR meters in your image that there's quite a bit of GR going on, so the test isn't valid as all compressors will do that.


The question is whether or not it adds harmonics when NO gain reduction is occurring. If so, then that's step one to knowing you have a complex model. Other things to look for: does changing input/output gain alter the frequency response, or is there any stereo crosstalk going on. Those three are usually the best indicators that a plugin has more going on than just modelling the compression behavior.
2012/10/27 14:35:12
Chregg
nah not all plugins do that, tried it with other ones, even with extreme gr, and all it is ,is the sines fundamental, i dp appreiciate wat you are saying tho !!!
2012/10/27 14:41:14
Chregg
i mean i love all these emulators, but they have nuthin on the hardware, when ever i listen to an 1176 plug-in emu, then go process vox through a real 1176 (h revision), i shudder lol
2012/10/27 14:47:26
Funkybot
mattplaysguitar

I find the issue of tweaking parameters whist having the wrong track selected is a problem. I'm not sure what the solution to this is but I think it's something that needs to be streamlined. Maybe making it have a tab look like you get in your browser? That would make it much easier. Or maybe it's just a matter of getting more familiar with X2. I'm still doing some work on X1 and some on X2 before I make the full transition. I want to be 100% confident X2 is stable for me before fully switching.


If you're talking about inadvertently tweaking a VST effect on the wrong track like discussed earlier in the thread, then check this out: This is a simple enhancement to the plugin menu I mocked up in Paint, that would vastly improve VST plugin navigation. All this Enhanced Plugin Menu does is add a "Track" dropdown to show the current track, and allow you to change tracks, and also adds a "Plugin" dropdown menu that shows the current plugin, and allows you to change plugins to any open on that track. All this from a single UI window.

This is already in Logic/Studio One, and Reaper lets you change plugins from a single GUI, but does it slightly differently. I think this simple change would be a great workflow enhancer for Sonar:



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